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00:02:46,470 --> 00:02:43,150 paranormal comm pilots are seeing UFOs 45 00:02:49,300 --> 00:02:46,480 farmers are seeing lights in the sky 46 00:02:51,940 --> 00:02:49,310 ancient peoples have eternally 47 00:02:54,970 --> 00:02:51,950 documented their sightings with divine 48 00:02:59,319 --> 00:02:54,980 Celestials on rock walls caves and 49 00:03:02,740 --> 00:02:59,329 glyphs which haunt us like reminders of 50 00:03:04,599 --> 00:03:02,750 their experiences whether it be 51 00:03:08,110 --> 00:03:04,609 petroglyphs pictographs or ancient 52 00:03:11,199 --> 00:03:08,120 artifacts the reminders are there some 53 00:03:13,810 --> 00:03:11,209 claim there's no connection others of us 54 00:03:16,090 --> 00:03:13,820 believe there is a connection the 55 00:03:18,069 --> 00:03:16,100 ancients were our ancestors and we have 56 00:03:20,650 --> 00:03:18,079 some of their DNA within us 57 00:03:24,069 --> 00:03:20,660 they weren't the savage stupid tribal 58 00:03:26,110 --> 00:03:24,079 morons some would have you believe it is 59 00:03:28,180 --> 00:03:26,120 my belief they may have known more in 60 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:28,190 certain aspects and may have had much 61 00:03:33,490 --> 00:03:30,290 deeper connections to the mysteries that 62 00:03:35,259 --> 00:03:33,500 baffle modern man never underestimate 63 00:03:39,309 --> 00:03:35,269 the seeds from which modern man was 64 00:03:42,210 --> 00:03:39,319 cultivated Arizona rock art is among the 65 00:03:45,789 --> 00:03:42,220 most telling and beautiful in the world 66 00:03:48,309 --> 00:03:45,799 for Texas extraterrestrials and even 67 00:03:51,490 --> 00:03:48,319 crafts that boggle the imagination are 68 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:51,500 depicted today we speak with an Arizona 69 00:03:56,930 --> 00:03:54,130 expert his name is Jeff wool wine 70 00:04:00,510 --> 00:03:56,940 he has over 15 years experience 71 00:04:03,870 --> 00:04:00,520 researching hiking around the valleys of 72 00:04:07,110 --> 00:04:03,880 Arizona and filming UFOs he's an actual 73 00:04:09,180 --> 00:04:07,120 petroglyph guide and an author of the 74 00:04:12,060 --> 00:04:09,190 Phoenix lights petroglyphs in the sky 75 00:04:15,210 --> 00:04:12,070 landscape for the spirits the true 76 00:04:17,970 --> 00:04:15,220 stories myths legends and UFOs over 77 00:04:21,570 --> 00:04:17,980 Arizona Jeff is a leading UFO 78 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:21,580 investigator in Arizona former world UFO 79 00:04:29,730 --> 00:04:24,970 day ambassador and former ancient aliens 80 00:04:32,430 --> 00:04:29,740 TV host for Tucson and South Mountain 81 00:04:36,180 --> 00:04:32,440 tour guide and UFO hunter so with no 82 00:04:41,730 --> 00:04:36,190 further ado mr. Jeff will wine welcome 83 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:41,740 to the hero paranormal podcast hey doing 84 00:04:47,580 --> 00:04:43,810 great thanks so much for coming on the 85 00:04:50,670 --> 00:04:47,590 show today I'm I'm very interested in 86 00:04:53,190 --> 00:04:50,680 everything Arizona and you know this I 87 00:04:55,970 --> 00:04:53,200 love how you you've coined a lot of 88 00:04:58,710 --> 00:04:55,980 terms that I think are very true 89 00:05:01,920 --> 00:04:58,720 petroglyphs in the sky landscape for the 90 00:05:04,740 --> 00:05:01,930 spirits I think that there's a lot there 91 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:04,750 and I wanted to know a little bit of 92 00:05:10,500 --> 00:05:08,770 background how you came to to kind of 93 00:05:14,030 --> 00:05:10,510 like carve this niche out which i think 94 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:14,040 is an exact correlation of like what 95 00:05:26,700 --> 00:05:16,090 ancients were seeing and what we are 96 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:26,710 seeing in the skies and you know it's 97 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:30,250 interesting to you know get some I guess 98 00:05:36,780 --> 00:05:33,010 we could start off with the at the 99 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:36,790 beginning of it all um I guess you can 100 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:43,090 say the 1997 Phoenix lights that 101 00:05:48,390 --> 00:05:44,650 occurred on the west side of Phoenix 102 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:48,400 Arizona and they are just kind of it 103 00:05:56,540 --> 00:05:52,450 just kind of took off it kind of it took 104 00:06:02,219 --> 00:05:56,550 off from there you know it's interesting 105 00:06:04,100 --> 00:06:02,229 going on way before 1997 matter of fact 106 00:06:06,740 --> 00:06:04,110 he's like the God at the beginning of 107 00:06:08,390 --> 00:06:06,750 time maybe 108 00:06:12,110 --> 00:06:08,400 especially in the mountains around the 109 00:06:14,060 --> 00:06:12,120 valley of the Sun these things actually 110 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:14,070 you know I'm going to tell you there's 111 00:06:18,620 --> 00:06:15,930 going to be a lot of there's a lot of 112 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:18,630 people all realized yet that I have 113 00:06:24,380 --> 00:06:22,050 discovered and one of them is you know a 114 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:24,390 lot of people think well you know 115 00:06:29,390 --> 00:06:26,730 they're they're from another planet 116 00:06:33,170 --> 00:06:29,400 well in fact studying the pentacle I 117 00:06:35,180 --> 00:06:33,180 study in the rock art studying the so 118 00:06:38,300 --> 00:06:35,190 called myths and legends of Phoenix 119 00:06:40,070 --> 00:06:38,310 Arizona and watching them seeing them 120 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:40,080 firsthand and understanding the 121 00:06:45,290 --> 00:06:42,930 petroglyphs of a story that it tells it 122 00:06:47,690 --> 00:06:45,300 explains that these like these things 123 00:06:50,350 --> 00:06:47,700 that we Amos guys are not from another 124 00:06:55,909 --> 00:06:50,360 planet but this is their world although 125 00:06:58,880 --> 00:06:55,919 Mother Earth is their planet and they 126 00:07:01,340 --> 00:06:58,890 have always been here you know one of my 127 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:01,350 sayings is just as the oceanographers I 128 00:07:06,620 --> 00:07:03,810 was finding new species of life below 129 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:06,630 the ocean floor this is a new species 130 00:07:11,810 --> 00:07:09,690 above the ocean that the scientists and 131 00:07:17,719 --> 00:07:11,820 many that you know are in this field 132 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:17,729 fail to recognize this is true it's but 133 00:07:23,710 --> 00:07:19,410 yeah we always seen things in the sky 134 00:07:27,110 --> 00:07:23,720 and you know it has everything to do 135 00:07:30,860 --> 00:07:27,120 with the carvings coming out then not 136 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:30,870 only in Phoenix Arizona but anywhere 137 00:07:36,530 --> 00:07:34,370 around the world that we find sparkles 138 00:07:41,750 --> 00:07:36,540 representing doorways it's going to eat 139 00:07:43,730 --> 00:07:41,760 spirits now you know that yeah and if 140 00:07:49,790 --> 00:07:43,740 you notice I haven't said anything about 141 00:07:52,310 --> 00:07:49,800 a craft yet you know it that's very 142 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:52,320 possible I mean because of scientist 143 00:07:55,190 --> 00:07:53,970 when you look at it the scientists you 144 00:07:59,240 --> 00:07:55,200 know have said that they've already 145 00:08:01,610 --> 00:07:59,250 found seven earth-like planets outside 146 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:01,620 our solar system and sure what's this 147 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:04,290 day that you know another advanced 148 00:08:08,540 --> 00:08:06,570 civilization could reside on these 149 00:08:10,310 --> 00:08:08,550 planets and they built some sort of 150 00:08:13,490 --> 00:08:10,320 prize and they have been visiting earth 151 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:13,500 I'm open to that but I think what the 152 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:15,690 majority of what the public is seeing 153 00:08:24,670 --> 00:08:19,370 that very recording are living 154 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:24,680 I wish that these on a little dirt a 155 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:29,210 little gray guys in a spaceship each 156 00:08:33,820 --> 00:08:31,130 right you've seen five lights out there 157 00:08:39,550 --> 00:08:33,830 you're looking at five living in the 158 00:08:43,149 --> 00:08:39,560 teeth five says the light is the beam 159 00:08:45,519 --> 00:08:43,159 itself and you know it's interesting to 160 00:08:48,130 --> 00:08:45,529 you because you know there were sky 161 00:08:51,730 --> 00:08:48,140 watchers ready for these lights March 162 00:08:54,130 --> 00:08:51,740 13th 1997 okay this is the reason why we 163 00:08:57,400 --> 00:08:54,140 have footage of what really happened 164 00:08:59,910 --> 00:08:57,410 that night okay we have footage of the 165 00:09:06,430 --> 00:08:59,920 light on the west side of South Mountain 166 00:09:09,250 --> 00:09:06,440 and and it's because of one gentleman by 167 00:09:12,430 --> 00:09:09,260 the name of Tom ting now there's been 168 00:09:16,060 --> 00:09:12,440 reports and the story has been spread 169 00:09:19,110 --> 00:09:16,070 the rumors have been spread then a craft 170 00:09:22,450 --> 00:09:19,120 went over Arizona and flew over Phoenix 171 00:09:26,500 --> 00:09:22,460 okay but yet it's been over 20 years now 172 00:09:29,710 --> 00:09:26,510 20 years on that one video has come 173 00:09:34,780 --> 00:09:29,720 forward on this information on this on 174 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:34,790 this so-called crap going over Phoenix I 175 00:09:39,100 --> 00:09:36,410 have been investigating the Phoenix bike 176 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:39,110 over 20 years now I am one of the 177 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:40,970 component one of the most credible 178 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:43,490 researchers here and Jenny goes on a 179 00:09:48,550 --> 00:09:45,890 knee and in the year follows your world 180 00:09:50,980 --> 00:09:48,560 when it comes to the Phoenix light and I 181 00:09:53,860 --> 00:09:50,990 can tell you I looked at all the angles 182 00:09:56,769 --> 00:09:53,870 to this and I can't find one shred of 183 00:09:59,500 --> 00:09:56,779 evidence proof that a crap whatever 184 00:10:02,560 --> 00:09:59,510 feigning okay so you have to really look 185 00:10:04,930 --> 00:10:02,570 at this okay so if hundreds or even 186 00:10:07,540 --> 00:10:04,940 thousands of people has witnessed a 187 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:07,550 craft or something going over Phoenix 188 00:10:13,660 --> 00:10:10,250 Arizona and how come we haven't seen any 189 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:13,670 video of the fit well we do see our life 190 00:10:19,060 --> 00:10:16,490 on the west side of Phoenix Arizona 191 00:10:21,730 --> 00:10:19,070 just doing a skirt just in a formation 192 00:10:24,850 --> 00:10:21,740 not going over the City of Phoenix but 193 00:10:29,079 --> 00:10:24,860 sitting in a formation of a arc 194 00:10:32,590 --> 00:10:29,089 none of these but an arc between the 195 00:10:35,680 --> 00:10:32,600 South Mountain and the Estrella Mountain 196 00:10:38,590 --> 00:10:35,690 and interest in destroying star mountain 197 00:10:41,230 --> 00:10:38,600 okay so he's fine we find these write 198 00:10:43,930 --> 00:10:41,240 the energy spot at the hot spot 199 00:10:47,410 --> 00:10:43,940 it's been a hot spot through all 200 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:47,420 throughout time here getting started 201 00:10:51,249 --> 00:10:49,610 Arizona and also in the rain you haven't 202 00:10:53,829 --> 00:10:51,259 really had that gets up what how come 203 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:53,839 why why are the lights long to leave 204 00:10:58,150 --> 00:10:55,490 mouth and there were these entities 205 00:10:59,620 --> 00:10:58,160 wrong do these mouth a bit it because 206 00:11:02,590 --> 00:10:59,630 these mountains around the valleys a 207 00:11:05,350 --> 00:11:02,600 firm were made by fault line and fault 208 00:11:08,650 --> 00:11:05,360 lines generate energy and it has 209 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:08,660 everything to do with this fun and the 210 00:11:14,439 --> 00:11:10,970 fault lines on the earth the way the Sun 211 00:11:16,990 --> 00:11:14,449 moves across the moves across the sky 212 00:11:19,660 --> 00:11:17,000 moves around the earth and follows the 213 00:11:23,379 --> 00:11:19,670 fault line so do these things in the sky 214 00:11:26,769 --> 00:11:23,389 they follow the energy pattern and this 215 00:11:29,139 --> 00:11:26,779 is one way to predict to predict that is 216 00:11:31,930 --> 00:11:29,149 scared how to do these things if you 217 00:11:34,329 --> 00:11:31,940 believe is to follow the stealin the 218 00:11:36,490 --> 00:11:34,339 follow the fin the track that's on the 219 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:36,500 whole come we'll get into that here in a 220 00:11:42,460 --> 00:11:38,810 minute the whole commerce Sun Watchers 221 00:11:45,069 --> 00:11:42,470 okay and they understood thing to the 222 00:11:50,499 --> 00:11:45,079 sky they were waiting for these gods 223 00:11:53,350 --> 00:11:50,509 that you will to be in the presence to 224 00:11:55,990 --> 00:11:53,360 be aware of them you know I thought 225 00:11:57,790 --> 00:11:56,000 nothing I found many tomb we're going 226 00:12:01,360 --> 00:11:57,800 for that here a little bit later and 227 00:12:05,710 --> 00:12:01,370 lots of sacrificing author much as we 228 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:05,720 find in Mexico there's a same thing here 229 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:09,170 skinny they're gonna track the Mayan the 230 00:12:13,870 --> 00:12:11,689 mind put here in Phoenix Arizona awesome 231 00:12:16,329 --> 00:12:13,880 go gotta go we're gonna go into a lot of 232 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:16,339 deep stuff but I have discovered that I 233 00:12:23,439 --> 00:12:19,730 can prove not here day mind you but 234 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:23,449 proven staff from document but I have 235 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:25,370 uncovered in a public Phoenix library 236 00:12:31,629 --> 00:12:28,730 downtown Phoenix to the petroglyphs and 237 00:12:34,059 --> 00:12:31,639 the tombs I discovered on South Mountain 238 00:12:36,429 --> 00:12:34,069 and documented and photograph in place 239 00:12:38,259 --> 00:12:36,439 to my book I mean there's so much 240 00:12:41,970 --> 00:12:38,269 information there's so much stuff that 241 00:12:44,890 --> 00:12:41,980 hasn't been told in the last 80 years of 242 00:12:47,620 --> 00:12:44,900 fear of feeling there 243 00:12:51,430 --> 00:12:47,630 of the history of Phoenix Aragon it that 244 00:12:53,560 --> 00:12:51,440 include that include the few slight and 245 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:53,570 these things that we'd be in a guide 246 00:12:58,120 --> 00:12:55,250 today mm-hmm 247 00:13:00,610 --> 00:12:58,130 man I've loved where you're going with 248 00:13:04,270 --> 00:13:00,620 this because I know that nobody knows 249 00:13:06,580 --> 00:13:04,280 Arizona in the ways weather emotionally 250 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:06,590 spiritually and otherwise that you do 251 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:09,530 you've been hiking the mountains you've 252 00:13:14,140 --> 00:13:12,170 been like man you dated us like I can't 253 00:13:19,950 --> 00:13:14,150 believe the Phoenix lights are 20 years 254 00:13:24,550 --> 00:13:22,750 1997 doesn't sound that like old to me 255 00:13:28,300 --> 00:13:24,560 but it's like on the west side of 256 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:28,310 Phoenix that that arc that you mentioned 257 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:31,010 not a triangle that arc between South 258 00:13:38,290 --> 00:13:35,170 Mountain and the Estrella mountains the 259 00:13:40,210 --> 00:13:38,300 the mountains kind of are around the 260 00:13:42,100 --> 00:13:40,220 valley of the Sun and I'm really glad 261 00:13:43,870 --> 00:13:42,110 that you mentioned that and I know that 262 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:43,880 a lot of people probably were like wow 263 00:13:46,540 --> 00:13:45,290 you know what do you mean people were 264 00:13:49,380 --> 00:13:46,550 like waiting around for this and it's 265 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:49,390 like in a way they probably were because 266 00:13:56,230 --> 00:13:52,010 you understand the petroglyphs better 267 00:13:58,720 --> 00:13:56,240 than anyone I know and the things in the 268 00:14:01,090 --> 00:13:58,730 sky the things in the water they call 269 00:14:05,530 --> 00:14:01,100 them UFOs you SOS there's all kinds of 270 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:05,540 crazy scenarios but I love that you are 271 00:14:10,810 --> 00:14:07,850 kind of shying away from this nuts and 272 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:10,820 bolts the nuts and bolts theories just 273 00:14:25,030 --> 00:14:12,170 don't add up 274 00:14:27,130 --> 00:14:25,040 can you go into that yeah that the nuts 275 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:27,140 and bolts theories just don't add up and 276 00:14:31,900 --> 00:14:30,050 I love that you're you know following 277 00:14:33,220 --> 00:14:31,910 the energy you know people say follow 278 00:14:35,670 --> 00:14:33,230 the money while you're following the 279 00:14:38,860 --> 00:14:35,680 fault lines generating the energy and 280 00:14:41,710 --> 00:14:38,870 these spirals that follow the seasons 281 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:41,720 and I love that you said gods and then 282 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:43,610 you're like oh wait wait but it's true 283 00:14:50,590 --> 00:14:47,090 these it is true when you when you look 284 00:14:52,210 --> 00:14:50,600 back and you talk about these we and 285 00:14:54,310 --> 00:14:52,220 anyone talks about these indigenous 286 00:14:55,900 --> 00:14:54,320 people that were literally seeing things 287 00:14:59,530 --> 00:14:55,910 in the sky 288 00:15:03,160 --> 00:14:59,540 these were for all intents and purposes 289 00:15:07,580 --> 00:15:03,170 gods because they were not like us and 290 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:07,590 you know they were sun watchers and you 291 00:15:12,530 --> 00:15:09,450 know the west side a sound Sun mountain 292 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:12,540 that you mentioned you know this is a 293 00:15:17,420 --> 00:15:15,210 big deal and these these may very well 294 00:15:20,750 --> 00:15:17,430 be like you these are entities and I 295 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:20,760 spoke recently with somebody nearby 296 00:15:26,330 --> 00:15:23,370 Arizona not a bean he was in New Mexico 297 00:15:28,580 --> 00:15:26,340 Norio Hayakawa and he referred to them 298 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:28,590 as pair of physical entities and I love 299 00:15:34,370 --> 00:15:32,010 that because I do believe that they are 300 00:15:37,250 --> 00:15:34,380 in fact alive in some way shape or form 301 00:15:38,540 --> 00:15:37,260 and these spirals that man I'm hitting 302 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:38,550 you with I'm hitting you from all 303 00:15:44,830 --> 00:15:40,410 directions but you I love where you're 304 00:15:48,860 --> 00:15:44,840 going the spirals I will get to that but 305 00:15:51,350 --> 00:15:48,870 getting back to the importance of these 306 00:15:55,910 --> 00:15:51,360 not necessarily being triangles in the 307 00:15:59,330 --> 00:15:55,920 skies more like arts and not being nuts 308 00:16:02,570 --> 00:15:59,340 and bolts more like biological entities 309 00:16:04,370 --> 00:16:02,580 or things that are maybe not alive the 310 00:16:13,030 --> 00:16:04,380 way we are but they're still alive could 311 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:13,040 you go into that a bit you know in 2004 312 00:16:20,870 --> 00:16:18,330 you know I was I was I was I was born 313 00:16:24,500 --> 00:16:20,880 and raised here and thanks Arizona I'm 314 00:16:28,780 --> 00:16:24,510 not saying tomato and so you know I was 315 00:16:32,090 --> 00:16:28,790 out I was outside that night during the 316 00:16:35,330 --> 00:16:32,100 1997 seeing slice of that bandicam like 317 00:16:36,950 --> 00:16:35,340 I perfec and honestly say you know I was 318 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:36,960 a witness there wasn't anything that 319 00:16:43,340 --> 00:16:40,050 flew over think that night only people 320 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:43,350 that are out you know to make a profit 321 00:16:48,500 --> 00:16:45,530 off this and I think that they're really 322 00:16:50,870 --> 00:16:48,510 sad it's really sad that people are 323 00:16:52,490 --> 00:16:50,880 trying to exploit people to be right not 324 00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:52,500 trying to figure out what exactly is 325 00:16:59,990 --> 00:16:55,890 going on and that's the whole point to 326 00:17:03,830 --> 00:17:00,000 my research is to find out exactly what 327 00:17:05,810 --> 00:17:03,840 was going on here so you know Haman was 328 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:05,820 being you know wouldn't really started 329 00:17:09,179 --> 00:17:06,850 me on this path 330 00:17:11,909 --> 00:17:09,189 you know it's doing things on the sky 331 00:17:14,879 --> 00:17:11,919 you know a way before I connected the 332 00:17:16,470 --> 00:17:14,889 petroglyphs and you know it so made me 333 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:16,480 it made me want to go out and touch 334 00:17:21,090 --> 00:17:18,850 figure out what these things are and so 335 00:17:25,379 --> 00:17:21,100 I started studying everything I could 336 00:17:28,499 --> 00:17:25,389 about these things on the sky and so I 337 00:17:32,820 --> 00:17:28,509 remember I finished Phoenix 90 in 2004 338 00:17:35,070 --> 00:17:32,830 and the news helicopter they're gonna 339 00:17:37,860 --> 00:17:35,080 string to life again 340 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:37,870 on the west side of Phoenix now if you 341 00:17:44,190 --> 00:17:39,570 remember I mentioned about Tom Kane 342 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:44,200 mm-hmm a UFO Skywalker I'm out here in 343 00:17:50,310 --> 00:17:48,129 spinning fair ball like that on a 344 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:50,320 regular basis and this is I can honestly 345 00:17:56,310 --> 00:17:52,330 tell you because there were sky watchers 346 00:17:58,619 --> 00:17:56,320 March 13 1997 never ready for these 347 00:18:00,269 --> 00:17:58,629 lights and if anything would have to 348 00:18:02,249 --> 00:18:00,279 overthink they would have video that 349 00:18:04,350 --> 00:18:02,259 they little bit of day but they would 350 00:18:07,769 --> 00:18:04,360 have caught it on down yeah nothing of a 351 00:18:09,779 --> 00:18:07,779 sort actually occurred to this matter 352 00:18:13,350 --> 00:18:09,789 but what I what actually happened was 353 00:18:15,509 --> 00:18:13,360 like Allah on the website remember you 354 00:18:17,909 --> 00:18:15,519 know years back cuz he was chasin easily 355 00:18:20,490 --> 00:18:17,919 he was still in his life you know years 356 00:18:23,039 --> 00:18:20,500 ago and I remember it was he was in the 357 00:18:25,950 --> 00:18:23,049 east side of South Mountain and turn the 358 00:18:29,669 --> 00:18:25,960 lights out there so in the summer 2004 359 00:18:31,230 --> 00:18:29,679 the news helicopters irritating good cop 360 00:18:33,659 --> 00:18:31,240 they captured some lights on the West 361 00:18:35,430 --> 00:18:33,669 but I knew I kinda had a feeling I 362 00:18:36,899 --> 00:18:35,440 should go to the east side because 363 00:18:40,769 --> 00:18:36,909 that's where calm with that you know 364 00:18:42,749 --> 00:18:40,779 most the mostly but she got the yeah the 365 00:18:44,759 --> 00:18:42,759 lights right there in front of all my 13 366 00:18:46,619 --> 00:18:44,769 on the west side but he actually lived 367 00:18:49,830 --> 00:18:46,629 on the east side so he was Perry it was 368 00:18:51,060 --> 00:18:49,840 like a it was it was great that he was 369 00:18:53,070 --> 00:18:51,070 there at the right place at the right 370 00:18:55,230 --> 00:18:53,080 time like there's paints actually built 371 00:18:59,190 --> 00:18:55,240 they actually what happened 372 00:18:59,840 --> 00:18:59,200 and so in 2004 he begged to go to the 373 00:19:02,490 --> 00:18:59,850 east side 374 00:19:04,980 --> 00:19:02,500 you know the nudist cause capture him I 375 00:19:07,259 --> 00:19:04,990 knew the lights were here and so I was 376 00:19:10,289 --> 00:19:07,269 gonna come down so I moved out there 377 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:10,299 kanata that's on the east side of 378 00:19:14,120 --> 00:19:13,570 Phoenix that is on and so every night I 379 00:19:16,370 --> 00:19:14,130 would just 380 00:19:18,830 --> 00:19:16,380 out there and I can do the direction to 381 00:19:20,510 --> 00:19:18,840 look you know and towards you know the 382 00:19:22,120 --> 00:19:20,520 south west 383 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:22,130 I kind of was looking out that direction 384 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:24,690 because that's where tom was telling a 385 00:19:30,230 --> 00:19:27,210 man kind of watch anything and long 386 00:19:32,750 --> 00:19:30,240 behold I had two orange amber white have 387 00:19:35,540 --> 00:19:32,760 appeared a few miles of front in front 388 00:19:37,970 --> 00:19:35,550 of me and then we're going on what they 389 00:19:39,650 --> 00:19:37,980 were going towards stuff mouths him sure 390 00:19:42,290 --> 00:19:39,660 they would reach stuff not they would 391 00:19:44,270 --> 00:19:42,300 disappear and then two more orange amber 392 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:44,280 lights will appear in front of me and 393 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:46,170 head towards the mountain and then 394 00:19:50,060 --> 00:19:48,810 disappear well this one I like three or 395 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:50,070 four times now it was the very first 396 00:19:54,470 --> 00:19:51,930 time I actually got something like that 397 00:19:56,420 --> 00:19:54,480 out bill and I said what up my son and I 398 00:19:59,960 --> 00:19:56,430 we went out there and we waited for the 399 00:20:01,940 --> 00:19:59,970 next couple bags of anything so my my 400 00:20:03,470 --> 00:20:01,950 can gonna let you know what let's follow 401 00:20:05,270 --> 00:20:03,480 the light but see where they're going 402 00:20:10,250 --> 00:20:05,280 they're going with did they want me to 403 00:20:14,060 --> 00:20:10,260 fall you know so I ended up finding Mesa 404 00:20:15,890 --> 00:20:14,070 Community College and I climbed upon 405 00:20:18,380 --> 00:20:15,900 their setup leechers well the football 406 00:20:19,910 --> 00:20:18,390 games you know incorrect so I went up on 407 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:19,920 their bleachers like it see the whole 408 00:20:25,970 --> 00:20:21,930 city I could see the whole sky light 409 00:20:29,050 --> 00:20:25,980 there and so the whole summer I said 410 00:20:32,120 --> 00:20:29,060 right there on top of those bleachers 411 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:32,130 watching the skies and all behold those 412 00:20:37,700 --> 00:20:35,010 life would appear right in front of us 413 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:37,710 few miles in front of us on the east 414 00:20:44,270 --> 00:20:40,170 side of South Mountain that pretty much 415 00:20:46,490 --> 00:20:44,280 the whole summer of 2004 I was getting 416 00:20:49,460 --> 00:20:46,500 lightning bolt formations I was getting 417 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:49,470 white triangle formation I was getting 418 00:20:55,700 --> 00:20:52,650 dots in the sky that were a mile along I 419 00:20:57,440 --> 00:20:55,710 mean it was it was crazy every night my 420 00:21:00,110 --> 00:20:57,450 son and I my friends would go out there 421 00:21:02,390 --> 00:21:00,120 and we set up our tripods and cameras 422 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:02,400 and we'd watch these like hovering over 423 00:21:09,290 --> 00:21:05,730 the sand spot okay so I never saw him 424 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:09,300 again on the east side you know when I 425 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:11,250 first saw man you know I never saw a 426 00:21:16,100 --> 00:21:13,290 little there they they I actually 427 00:21:18,500 --> 00:21:16,110 followed them they wanted me to follow 428 00:21:20,450 --> 00:21:18,510 them and I did and i sat there all 429 00:21:24,980 --> 00:21:20,460 summer and I watched these lights 430 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:24,990 hovering appearing over this major major 431 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:26,090 toll 432 00:21:31,120 --> 00:21:28,490 plant there's an electrical power plant 433 00:21:36,490 --> 00:21:31,130 out there that oil down into the fault 434 00:21:39,070 --> 00:21:36,500 line and I remember you know seeing 435 00:21:41,350 --> 00:21:39,080 these light over the pile of burning 436 00:21:44,980 --> 00:21:41,360 nuclear power plant I was sitting 437 00:21:48,310 --> 00:21:44,990 spirograph years ago and I remember just 438 00:21:50,470 --> 00:21:48,320 before I went out there I haven't saw 439 00:21:52,180 --> 00:21:50,480 something on the news that they were 440 00:21:53,740 --> 00:21:52,190 going to shut down some of this polymer 441 00:21:56,260 --> 00:21:53,750 they knew Philip our plan turned on the 442 00:21:59,920 --> 00:21:56,270 electrical power plan for the summer of 443 00:22:02,020 --> 00:21:59,930 2004 and when they did it attracted and 444 00:22:03,940 --> 00:22:02,030 attracted these white to these power 445 00:22:07,470 --> 00:22:03,950 plants to the spotlight on South 446 00:22:09,540 --> 00:22:07,480 Mountain well about a year later 447 00:22:14,350 --> 00:22:09,550 investigating but with you know 448 00:22:17,980 --> 00:22:14,360 investigating the whole calm and some of 449 00:22:19,690 --> 00:22:17,990 the ancient structures some of the old 450 00:22:21,790 --> 00:22:19,700 ruins that were out there were out there 451 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:21,800 one time I came across this old nap that 452 00:22:26,110 --> 00:22:23,330 hasn't been seen in a tiara 453 00:22:28,180 --> 00:22:26,120 and it shows it shows that the holcom 454 00:22:31,060 --> 00:22:28,190 used to live right there where that 455 00:22:33,010 --> 00:22:31,070 power plant used to be right there with 456 00:22:35,500 --> 00:22:33,020 a power plant stands today so the whole 457 00:22:37,900 --> 00:22:35,510 calm used to live right there at that 458 00:22:41,410 --> 00:22:37,910 energy spot day this is the reason why 459 00:22:43,330 --> 00:22:41,420 they live on the mountains and they live 460 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:43,340 close to these things and all of these 461 00:22:47,980 --> 00:22:45,530 things would appear in the sky or come 462 00:22:50,260 --> 00:22:47,990 out of the ground they would live there 463 00:22:51,910 --> 00:22:50,270 they would they would make their Hogan 464 00:22:54,430 --> 00:22:51,920 the nerd there and they would make their 465 00:22:56,980 --> 00:22:54,440 cities and spots around around the 466 00:22:59,380 --> 00:22:56,990 valley on where these things would come 467 00:23:03,370 --> 00:22:59,390 and go from I'm gonna get as close as 468 00:23:06,670 --> 00:23:03,380 they could did their God and so in 2004 469 00:23:09,130 --> 00:23:06,680 I'm saving these life you know and I'm 470 00:23:11,950 --> 00:23:09,140 like hey you know I'm calling the news 471 00:23:14,020 --> 00:23:11,960 dude I'm calling it and I'm I heard 472 00:23:16,750 --> 00:23:14,030 nobody else seeing these light you know 473 00:23:18,970 --> 00:23:16,760 I've got I've got a whole bunch of video 474 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:18,980 of these things man well it took him a 475 00:23:26,410 --> 00:23:22,250 few weeks to get a hold of me and in 476 00:23:30,010 --> 00:23:26,420 2004 I ended up doing about four or five 477 00:23:33,370 --> 00:23:30,020 news reports that summer no no no I'm 478 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:33,380 still I'm still thinking hey where the 479 00:23:38,430 --> 00:23:36,010 crash at what is 480 00:23:42,390 --> 00:23:38,440 everybody's reported right you know what 481 00:23:45,539 --> 00:23:42,400 would cause that period class like less 482 00:23:49,890 --> 00:23:45,549 information I have been any crap you 483 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:49,900 know and so the end result the news 484 00:23:57,180 --> 00:23:53,410 report is that everybody was being a 485 00:23:58,950 --> 00:23:57,190 hundred fifty miles away in Tucson and 486 00:24:01,610 --> 00:23:58,960 dirty smarts and Air Force Base and 487 00:24:04,590 --> 00:24:01,620 that's crazy people you can clearly tell 488 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:04,600 these light are in the city and they're 489 00:24:11,330 --> 00:24:06,730 over people's houses and it's next to 490 00:24:19,919 --> 00:24:16,950 and so tired to this prior to this I 491 00:24:22,530 --> 00:24:19,929 remember watching a Native American 492 00:24:24,330 --> 00:24:22,540 shaman who worked there at the puzzle 493 00:24:26,850 --> 00:24:24,340 Indian Army's doing spinning turbine I 494 00:24:29,539 --> 00:24:26,860 fell on television he's doing a tour 495 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:29,549 he's doing a tour on South Mountain and 496 00:24:34,350 --> 00:24:32,650 he's showing some stick figure guys 497 00:24:37,710 --> 00:24:34,360 they're you know showing the rock art 498 00:24:40,710 --> 00:24:37,720 carving with it and one of the guys says 499 00:24:43,140 --> 00:24:40,720 hey you know it looks like it looks like 500 00:24:46,380 --> 00:24:43,150 that this guy is looking up at something 501 00:24:49,230 --> 00:24:46,390 in the sky and then automatically the 502 00:24:51,750 --> 00:24:49,240 the shaman turn around and said yes this 503 00:24:56,039 --> 00:24:51,760 is part of the interpretations out here 504 00:24:58,950 --> 00:24:56,049 is that our ancestors saw and recorded 505 00:24:59,610 --> 00:24:58,960 things in the sky and I'm like wait a 506 00:25:02,100 --> 00:24:59,620 minute 507 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:02,110 I'm oldest for dear life all went over 508 00:25:07,350 --> 00:25:04,690 my head I was like dude we have strange 509 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:07,360 lights in the sky now we have strange 510 00:25:13,799 --> 00:25:10,090 begins on the rock down here it has to 511 00:25:15,690 --> 00:25:13,809 be a connection so in 2005 after the 512 00:25:18,210 --> 00:25:15,700 flare incident with all the lies out 513 00:25:21,539 --> 00:25:18,220 there that what they're trying to say 514 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:21,549 I'm seeing players I'm like dude that's 515 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:22,570 impossible 516 00:25:30,210 --> 00:25:27,090 you know because all their all the 517 00:25:32,100 --> 00:25:30,220 information and I'm gathering here it's 518 00:25:35,669 --> 00:25:32,110 been like mountains where the source 519 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:35,679 mountains were the hot spots to see 520 00:25:39,900 --> 00:25:37,570 these fighting dad I'm doing my 521 00:25:43,590 --> 00:25:39,910 investigation them I'm reading up on the 522 00:25:45,990 --> 00:25:43,600 stories on on the some of the ancestors 523 00:25:48,210 --> 00:25:46,000 we came down the mountain yeah oh my 524 00:25:49,980 --> 00:25:48,220 good I saw these things headed towards 525 00:25:51,870 --> 00:25:49,990 out mouth that I saw these things right 526 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:51,880 there next to South Mountain rollin how 527 00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:54,730 about in 2005 I moved to South Mountain 528 00:25:58,860 --> 00:25:56,770 and I watch and see what I can get 529 00:26:02,130 --> 00:25:58,870 during the day so and that's exactly 530 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:02,140 what I did I went out to the east side 531 00:26:08,120 --> 00:26:04,090 of South mouth and I sat there for 532 00:26:11,190 --> 00:26:08,130 almost three years and doing so I 533 00:26:13,380 --> 00:26:11,200 witnessed a lot of crazy things coming 534 00:26:15,450 --> 00:26:13,390 and going from my mouth there and I can 535 00:26:19,620 --> 00:26:15,460 tell you it wasn't spaceship there 536 00:26:21,299 --> 00:26:19,630 wasn't crap okay and so I called up Dave 537 00:26:23,549 --> 00:26:21,309 and I was like you know what I saw you 538 00:26:26,100 --> 00:26:23,559 on television you know you're talking 539 00:26:29,130 --> 00:26:26,110 about the petroglyph can you go up there 540 00:26:30,750 --> 00:26:29,140 and can you show me the glyphs and then 541 00:26:33,510 --> 00:26:30,760 you know talk about you know so many 542 00:26:35,010 --> 00:26:33,520 interpretations out here so he agreed 543 00:26:36,750 --> 00:26:35,020 and we went out there and spent a couple 544 00:26:39,029 --> 00:26:36,760 hours out there I'll stop now but he 545 00:26:41,010 --> 00:26:39,039 talked about the spiral he talked about 546 00:26:43,529 --> 00:26:41,020 the lizard people he talked about the 547 00:26:45,899 --> 00:26:43,539 giant alright he talked about this whole 548 00:26:48,180 --> 00:26:45,909 kind of crazy stuff right and he's 549 00:26:51,330 --> 00:26:48,190 telling me is telling me that these 550 00:26:53,190 --> 00:26:51,340 spirals represent doorways and and when 551 00:26:56,430 --> 00:26:53,200 it's carved on the rocks here that's 552 00:26:59,399 --> 00:26:56,440 sometimes when the spirals end down is 553 00:27:02,340 --> 00:26:59,409 talking about the plastic let's the 554 00:27:05,340 --> 00:27:02,350 crevices and the boulders in the stone 555 00:27:06,510 --> 00:27:05,350 that are the doorway for the underworld 556 00:27:09,090 --> 00:27:06,520 to the Otherworld 557 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:09,100 all right so I'm thinking to myself how 558 00:27:14,970 --> 00:27:11,770 can a big spaceship right I'm thinking 559 00:27:18,360 --> 00:27:14,980 craft did having a big spaceship getting 560 00:27:21,510 --> 00:27:18,370 a little crack like that right until I 561 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:21,520 finally understood that it's not craft 562 00:27:26,909 --> 00:27:24,730 that we're dealing with it inner spirit 563 00:27:32,190 --> 00:27:26,919 the Native Americans like the calm is 564 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:32,200 ended living being okay and I have seen 565 00:27:38,070 --> 00:27:35,770 anything coming and going so stop now 566 00:27:41,399 --> 00:27:38,080 and going within the mouth and coming 567 00:27:43,289 --> 00:27:41,409 out of the mouth and finding down on the 568 00:27:45,180 --> 00:27:43,299 mouth and understand why they call these 569 00:27:47,010 --> 00:27:45,190 days spirits is because when they're 570 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:47,020 high in the sky when it's starting to 571 00:27:53,370 --> 00:27:50,770 come down to go into the door to go into 572 00:27:54,310 --> 00:27:53,380 the vortex bore there this solid there 573 00:27:57,070 --> 00:27:54,320 shape-shift 574 00:27:59,499 --> 00:27:57,080 they're changing colors and as they get 575 00:28:01,330 --> 00:27:59,509 closer to the mountain then all of a 576 00:28:03,279 --> 00:28:01,340 sudden you can can speed through them 577 00:28:05,499 --> 00:28:03,289 they're like a ghost right I like them 578 00:28:07,210 --> 00:28:05,509 spirit and then they come down the 579 00:28:09,759 --> 00:28:07,220 mountain and then they just absorb 580 00:28:12,039 --> 00:28:09,769 themselves into the rock and then 581 00:28:14,799 --> 00:28:12,049 anything is when they come out when they 582 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:14,809 come out of the mountains big nothing is 583 00:28:18,639 --> 00:28:16,490 there and all of a sudden something is 584 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:18,649 there you can kind of see something 585 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:20,330 there something's not there what the 586 00:28:24,879 --> 00:28:22,250 hell is it you know right and then it 587 00:28:27,070 --> 00:28:24,889 goes up into the sky and it becomes more 588 00:28:29,830 --> 00:28:27,080 solid and then it starts to shape-shift 589 00:28:32,470 --> 00:28:29,840 it starts to change colors it's alive 590 00:28:34,990 --> 00:28:32,480 it's looking at people on the ground 591 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:35,000 it's looking at me looking at the sky 592 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:38,570 it's alive and then I just kind of 593 00:28:45,249 --> 00:28:40,610 disappeared it goes on it's very way 594 00:28:48,519 --> 00:28:45,259 yeah and I saw and actually actually I 595 00:28:52,419 --> 00:28:48,529 followed I wasn't I was the first one to 596 00:28:54,909 --> 00:28:52,429 discover these entities a night 2005 and 597 00:28:58,419 --> 00:28:54,919 I was the first one to film a flying 598 00:29:01,810 --> 00:28:58,429 serpent here in Phoenix Arizona not only 599 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:01,820 big but in the United States and 600 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:04,610 actually what this serpent did is the 601 00:29:09,220 --> 00:29:07,610 tomato style mountain for the valley and 602 00:29:11,490 --> 00:29:09,230 went into another mountain on the other 603 00:29:14,049 --> 00:29:11,500 side of Phoenix Arizona 604 00:29:16,659 --> 00:29:14,059 so after them you know watching these 605 00:29:18,580 --> 00:29:16,669 things and I'm making my discoveries I'm 606 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:18,590 going out there on the mountains and and 607 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:20,450 you know I saw something I thought this 608 00:29:24,789 --> 00:29:22,250 flying serpent you don't come out of the 609 00:29:27,879 --> 00:29:24,799 mountain right so I go out to the spot 610 00:29:31,060 --> 00:29:27,889 was and long behold I find a spiral and 611 00:29:32,980 --> 00:29:31,070 I man looking up at a flying snake like 612 00:29:36,310 --> 00:29:32,990 no one has ever done this before no one 613 00:29:38,710 --> 00:29:36,320 has ever made a connection has actually 614 00:29:40,659 --> 00:29:38,720 proven that the Native Americans were 615 00:29:42,490 --> 00:29:40,669 actually seeing strange things there 616 00:29:45,009 --> 00:29:42,500 there were carving strange things on the 617 00:29:47,350 --> 00:29:45,019 rock because up and to this point it was 618 00:29:49,299 --> 00:29:47,360 just a theory always been to Native 619 00:29:51,100 --> 00:29:49,309 Americans we all saw things in the sky 620 00:29:53,019 --> 00:29:51,110 in cars it on the rocks we when you 621 00:29:55,450 --> 00:29:53,029 think this and we think that but now 622 00:29:57,970 --> 00:29:55,460 over the last three years ago living by 623 00:30:00,279 --> 00:29:57,980 South Mountain I proved it I proved it 624 00:30:02,379 --> 00:30:00,289 this is a whole new topic about the 625 00:30:04,150 --> 00:30:02,389 panic place so that's why I brought this 626 00:30:07,060 --> 00:30:04,160 to the news I brought my 627 00:30:07,510 --> 00:30:07,070 my findings my evidence my proof didn't 628 00:30:09,430 --> 00:30:07,520 it 629 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:09,440 and lo and behold they cannot yet they 630 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:11,690 ended up and then again I'm starting 631 00:30:16,410 --> 00:30:13,850 doing more to support been more news 632 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:16,420 important and this was around the 2005 633 00:30:22,570 --> 00:30:19,370 now the UFO Horror Show in ancient 634 00:30:23,260 --> 00:30:22,580 aliens TV series wasn't on television at 635 00:30:28,420 --> 00:30:23,270 that time 636 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:28,430 matter of fact Pat Oscar was the concept 637 00:30:34,990 --> 00:30:32,210 he was him and Bill burns the creator of 638 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:35,000 youthful magazine after I wrote an 639 00:30:42,300 --> 00:30:39,650 article for UFO magazine in 2005 patos 640 00:30:45,100 --> 00:30:42,310 decided to come out and actually film 641 00:30:47,020 --> 00:30:45,110 fill me up there on South Mountain and 642 00:30:49,390 --> 00:30:47,030 this actually and to talk about the 643 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:49,400 Patrick let's talk about the sky spread 644 00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:53,450 and this was actually the pilot for the 645 00:30:59,940 --> 00:30:55,850 ancient aliens series and also for the 646 00:31:03,580 --> 00:30:59,950 year for show on the History Channel 647 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:03,590 after a few years after the UFO has show 648 00:31:08,140 --> 00:31:06,290 finally aired because Hollywood death 649 00:31:13,330 --> 00:31:08,150 for about two years before somebody 650 00:31:16,030 --> 00:31:13,340 finally picked it up but that here for 651 00:31:19,780 --> 00:31:16,040 honey show aired on History Channel they 652 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:19,790 came back out with me in 2007 and we 653 00:31:23,710 --> 00:31:21,890 went to a miller mountain on the west 654 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:23,720 side the white tank mountains because I 655 00:31:27,100 --> 00:31:25,250 felt that there was better seeing me 656 00:31:29,230 --> 00:31:27,110 it's better for the cameras there's a 657 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:29,240 whole lot of Petra goes there and it's 658 00:31:32,710 --> 00:31:30,890 talking about the same fantasies you 659 00:31:35,260 --> 00:31:32,720 know so I took them up there and and 660 00:31:37,300 --> 00:31:35,270 then tell me they're telling me now Jeff 661 00:31:40,450 --> 00:31:37,310 when you're talking about these things 662 00:31:44,380 --> 00:31:40,460 don't go saying spirit don't go stand 663 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:44,390 entities don't go thing angel he's like 664 00:31:47,980 --> 00:31:46,490 the public is not ready for that like 665 00:31:51,070 --> 00:31:47,990 you know what you're filming some 666 00:31:52,780 --> 00:31:51,080 bizarre stuff did you know and if you're 667 00:31:55,300 --> 00:31:52,790 gonna refer to this and you have a 668 00:31:59,050 --> 00:31:55,310 comment you're selling crack I don't 669 00:32:01,270 --> 00:31:59,060 think you know that's just crazy because 670 00:32:03,250 --> 00:32:01,280 you know the public better get ready for 671 00:32:05,620 --> 00:32:03,260 this because this is what's really going 672 00:32:07,390 --> 00:32:05,630 on here you know I have proven this I've 673 00:32:09,940 --> 00:32:07,400 documented this you know this look 674 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:09,950 really here and so I ended up doing the 675 00:32:13,450 --> 00:32:12,050 show and you know I was just tired you 676 00:32:14,890 --> 00:32:13,460 know I think we better take a look take 677 00:32:16,100 --> 00:32:14,900 a look at these testicle is there 678 00:32:19,340 --> 00:32:16,110 because it 679 00:32:22,190 --> 00:32:19,350 well yep and this is whole new subject 680 00:32:24,380 --> 00:32:22,200 to the UFO phenomenon you know no one 681 00:32:26,780 --> 00:32:24,390 has really discovered it this guy and 682 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:26,790 then like seven is really started here 683 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:29,010 within like seven to ten years later 684 00:32:33,710 --> 00:32:31,530 people are emailing me did I saw you on 685 00:32:35,270 --> 00:32:33,720 TV I on the History Channel 686 00:32:36,860 --> 00:32:35,280 you know you're talking about flying 687 00:32:38,390 --> 00:32:36,870 snakes you know it's talking about the 688 00:32:40,910 --> 00:32:38,400 penis bikes and the carvings you know 689 00:32:44,390 --> 00:32:40,920 hey I saw a flying fake the other day 690 00:32:46,940 --> 00:32:44,400 well I started all this I thought I was 691 00:32:51,950 --> 00:32:46,950 the original sport to the city's 692 00:32:54,530 --> 00:32:51,960 entities phenomenon discovery and matter 693 00:32:58,010 --> 00:32:54,540 of fact there's a lot of discovery 694 00:33:00,980 --> 00:32:58,020 sources that the public just isn't aware 695 00:33:04,460 --> 00:33:00,990 of yet and it's getting taken it's taken 696 00:33:07,539 --> 00:33:04,470 some of these so-called UFO experts to 697 00:33:10,220 --> 00:33:07,549 admit that what I've discovered is true 698 00:33:12,049 --> 00:33:10,230 and but they're finally getting there 699 00:33:14,450 --> 00:33:12,059 they're finally catching up to my work 700 00:33:16,610 --> 00:33:14,460 I'm so far ahead of all these full of 701 00:33:18,500 --> 00:33:16,620 people did you know it gets frustrating 702 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:18,510 because you know you've done your 703 00:33:23,330 --> 00:33:21,090 homework do you find out exactly what 704 00:33:25,820 --> 00:33:23,340 blood going on but now you gotta wait 705 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:25,830 you got to sit back and wait for the 706 00:33:29,620 --> 00:33:27,450 public and for these those people to 707 00:33:33,020 --> 00:33:29,630 catch up to your work but eventually 708 00:33:37,669 --> 00:33:33,030 they will and I'm here to tell you I am 709 00:33:40,700 --> 00:33:37,679 the source of many discoveries I in this 710 00:33:43,070 --> 00:33:40,710 beautiful field and you can see can push 711 00:33:44,539 --> 00:33:43,080 my name on the intern and you can first 712 00:33:46,460 --> 00:33:44,549 cut your glutes in the sky on the 713 00:33:50,780 --> 00:33:46,470 internet you can see all this crazy 714 00:33:52,789 --> 00:33:50,790 stuff I've been paying wait 2005 you 715 00:33:54,590 --> 00:33:52,799 know I'm in saying this but now some of 716 00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:54,600 these UFO expert they're just now 717 00:33:58,760 --> 00:33:56,970 bringing with my findings and his weapon 718 00:34:02,030 --> 00:33:58,770 17 years later or so 719 00:34:05,450 --> 00:34:02,040 yeah 16 years later it was like man you 720 00:34:07,730 --> 00:34:05,460 know so it's it's been a fun ride but 721 00:34:10,129 --> 00:34:07,740 it's also been a frustrating ride yeah 722 00:34:12,740 --> 00:34:10,139 because you're like dude you discovered 723 00:34:14,720 --> 00:34:12,750 something completely new and now you 724 00:34:19,220 --> 00:34:14,730 have to wait though like you know 725 00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:19,230 catches up and but you know it's there 726 00:34:26,990 --> 00:34:24,090 and it's true you know what you're right 727 00:34:29,870 --> 00:34:27,000 and you're right on so many levels I 728 00:34:31,460 --> 00:34:29,880 love that Pat and Bill I love Pat Oh 729 00:34:33,470 --> 00:34:31,470 skirt and bill birnes I love that they 730 00:34:37,250 --> 00:34:33,480 said the public wasn't ready for this 731 00:34:40,010 --> 00:34:37,260 because like you said this is 732 00:34:41,870 --> 00:34:40,020 exploitation it's it's not the answer 733 00:34:44,030 --> 00:34:41,880 many are finding that out 734 00:34:48,470 --> 00:34:44,040 but I think there's just too much money 735 00:34:50,690 --> 00:34:48,480 to be made in between and I agree with 736 00:34:53,540 --> 00:34:50,700 you that these entities are following 737 00:34:56,720 --> 00:34:53,550 the observers we are the key to that 738 00:34:58,670 --> 00:34:56,730 display and Jeff like much like I I 739 00:35:00,650 --> 00:34:58,680 always think of like dolphins who like 740 00:35:01,940 --> 00:35:00,660 jump and perform alongside boats and 741 00:35:03,650 --> 00:35:01,950 people are like why do they do that 742 00:35:05,210 --> 00:35:03,660 why do they do that and it's like 743 00:35:10,670 --> 00:35:05,220 they're beautiful creatures this is what 744 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:10,680 they do you know this is like and I love 745 00:35:14,750 --> 00:35:12,450 that you went into the flying serpent 746 00:35:17,270 --> 00:35:14,760 because a flying serpent as you know 747 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:17,280 these the the snake worship these are 748 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:19,770 big deals that's a whole other topic but 749 00:35:25,310 --> 00:35:23,370 I also wanted to ask you about following 750 00:35:27,260 --> 00:35:25,320 the hokum where they lived the you would 751 00:35:29,780 --> 00:35:27,270 follow where they you know these may 752 00:35:31,790 --> 00:35:29,790 very well be gods with a small G a lot 753 00:35:33,410 --> 00:35:31,800 of people use that or I like to 754 00:35:35,090 --> 00:35:33,420 sometimes say with a big G depending on 755 00:35:37,310 --> 00:35:35,100 your viewpoints depending on what you're 756 00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:37,320 in contact with and how often because 757 00:35:45,380 --> 00:35:42,090 these these are part of this this this 758 00:35:47,420 --> 00:35:45,390 whole display and it sounds so familiar 759 00:35:50,150 --> 00:35:47,430 to some of the things we see in Utah 760 00:35:53,660 --> 00:35:50,160 like the spirals and I mean I mean I'm 761 00:35:55,790 --> 00:35:53,670 in Nevada now but I go back every month 762 00:35:57,530 --> 00:35:55,800 to Utah and do research and like these 763 00:36:00,410 --> 00:35:57,540 spirals you're talking about you're 764 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:00,420 absolutely right they're just so perfect 765 00:36:09,050 --> 00:36:03,770 and they seem to also be another key and 766 00:36:11,240 --> 00:36:09,060 I wanted to ask you before I forget the 767 00:36:13,550 --> 00:36:11,250 connection to the Mayans because that is 768 00:36:17,690 --> 00:36:13,560 I mean that's just mind-boggling and I 769 00:36:20,180 --> 00:36:17,700 would love to hear about that well you 770 00:36:22,550 --> 00:36:20,190 know up there on so about them you know 771 00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:22,560 I'm an amateur archaeologist and I can 772 00:36:27,470 --> 00:36:25,170 spy it spot something you know man-made 773 00:36:29,330 --> 00:36:27,480 or out of place you know a mile away you 774 00:36:31,490 --> 00:36:29,340 know I'm very good at what I did I was 775 00:36:33,710 --> 00:36:31,500 able to discover your most big tomb down 776 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:33,720 here on South Mountain and some of the 777 00:36:39,500 --> 00:36:37,410 altars out here and you know I'm seeing 778 00:36:43,500 --> 00:36:39,510 like I'm getting familiar with the 779 00:36:49,020 --> 00:36:45,359 so let's talk about the whole column 780 00:36:52,290 --> 00:36:49,030 just world briefly Hong Kong is a PMO 781 00:36:54,450 --> 00:36:52,300 word for the people who are gone the 782 00:36:56,310 --> 00:36:54,460 people who got taken away the people who 783 00:36:58,859 --> 00:36:56,320 are missing because we don't know what 784 00:37:00,930 --> 00:36:58,869 happenes people they rules here for a 785 00:37:03,240 --> 00:37:00,940 thousand years and then all of a sudden 786 00:37:07,890 --> 00:37:03,250 they were here one day and gone the next 787 00:37:10,020 --> 00:37:07,900 now this not only this tribe here in the 788 00:37:12,540 --> 00:37:10,030 United States but also tribes around the 789 00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:12,550 world it seemed like they were here one 790 00:37:16,710 --> 00:37:14,290 day and gone the next just simply 791 00:37:19,830 --> 00:37:16,720 vanished but no trade and so the team 792 00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:19,840 was call these people the whole which 793 00:37:24,900 --> 00:37:21,490 means the people who are gone the people 794 00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:24,910 are missing now even when we when you 795 00:37:27,870 --> 00:37:27,490 and I move we take our belongings with 796 00:37:30,630 --> 00:37:27,880 it 797 00:37:32,970 --> 00:37:30,640 we at the whole con dinner okay they 798 00:37:35,550 --> 00:37:32,980 left all their belongings here and he's 799 00:37:37,380 --> 00:37:35,560 simply gone now the archaeologists the 800 00:37:39,870 --> 00:37:37,390 archaeologists here was asked to believe 801 00:37:41,910 --> 00:37:39,880 well they just simply migrated somewhere 802 00:37:43,980 --> 00:37:41,920 else but it got too hot well if that's 803 00:37:46,710 --> 00:37:43,990 the case so where's the hell did it go 804 00:37:47,370 --> 00:37:46,720 there is no proof on any place on where 805 00:37:51,690 --> 00:37:47,380 they went 806 00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:51,700 okay when you look at the rock art when 807 00:37:56,750 --> 00:37:53,770 you when you examine the rock art and 808 00:38:00,030 --> 00:37:56,760 you examine some of the tales that I've 809 00:38:01,980 --> 00:38:00,040 some of the stories that I've got from 810 00:38:04,140 --> 00:38:01,990 any of the Native American about here 811 00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:04,150 who understand what really happened 812 00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:07,170 Aloha you understand how only and 813 00:38:13,590 --> 00:38:09,850 cigarette this mountain is about now 814 00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:13,600 them they will tell you they will tell 815 00:38:18,690 --> 00:38:15,850 you that the devil the devil came from a 816 00:38:20,609 --> 00:38:18,700 tease and took these people away some 817 00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:20,619 will say that a great meteor came down 818 00:38:25,310 --> 00:38:22,450 and took these people up and the 819 00:38:29,130 --> 00:38:25,320 pendulous the petroglyphs will look well 820 00:38:32,010 --> 00:38:29,140 described is carving these blind serpent 821 00:38:32,730 --> 00:38:32,020 these flying orbs these flying Phoenix 822 00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:32,740 light 823 00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:35,650 picking people up by their head and tie 824 00:38:40,470 --> 00:38:38,530 them off into the sky now this is what I 825 00:38:42,570 --> 00:38:40,480 believe happened to the whole calm 826 00:38:45,240 --> 00:38:42,580 because this was was this was a written 827 00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:45,250 record these carvings you know they 828 00:38:50,460 --> 00:38:47,530 didn't have video cameras back then they 829 00:38:54,180 --> 00:38:50,470 had stole boulders to record something 830 00:38:54,990 --> 00:38:54,190 significant to remember in history to 831 00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:55,000 tell them 832 00:38:59,640 --> 00:38:57,490 still children on this special took 833 00:39:02,010 --> 00:38:59,650 place this is the reason why we find 834 00:39:03,750 --> 00:39:02,020 glitz on one side of the mountain but we 835 00:39:05,730 --> 00:39:03,760 don't see this on the other style about 836 00:39:07,620 --> 00:39:05,740 this because there's nothing that 837 00:39:09,240 --> 00:39:07,630 happened over there it happened over 838 00:39:11,370 --> 00:39:09,250 here where the petroglyphs are being 839 00:39:13,410 --> 00:39:11,380 recorded at where the world embrace to 840 00:39:15,300 --> 00:39:13,420 be found at now when you look at the 841 00:39:17,070 --> 00:39:15,310 petroglyphs you're not supposed to look 842 00:39:19,410 --> 00:39:17,080 at the heart you're supposed to include 843 00:39:21,750 --> 00:39:19,420 the whole landscape and with the art 844 00:39:23,820 --> 00:39:21,760 because the artist is trying to include 845 00:39:26,220 --> 00:39:23,830 the art than the landscape he's telling 846 00:39:28,260 --> 00:39:26,230 your story there for instance if you see 847 00:39:30,540 --> 00:39:28,270 a coyote and he's looking in a certain 848 00:39:32,490 --> 00:39:30,550 direction you want to follow that kayo 849 00:39:35,340 --> 00:39:32,500 do you want to follow her he's look at 850 00:39:37,980 --> 00:39:35,350 and it'll take you to the next sport and 851 00:39:39,690 --> 00:39:37,990 then sometimes to the next term you know 852 00:39:41,430 --> 00:39:39,700 so I'm finding all these terms I'm 853 00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:41,440 understanding the stories out here I'm 854 00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:43,690 understanding their art but I'm also 855 00:39:50,460 --> 00:39:46,930 finding another type of art a type of 856 00:39:55,230 --> 00:39:50,470 Mayan I'm finding Mayan rock carvings 857 00:39:57,180 --> 00:39:55,240 out there and it wasn't until about a 858 00:39:59,610 --> 00:39:57,190 year later you know cuz I'm finding the 859 00:40:03,750 --> 00:39:59,620 terms I'm finding the Mayan of finding 860 00:40:07,530 --> 00:40:03,760 the site of the sacrifice okay and but 861 00:40:10,020 --> 00:40:07,540 yeah there's the clutch about the school 862 00:40:11,790 --> 00:40:10,030 situation he's not telling anything you 863 00:40:15,240 --> 00:40:11,800 know I've been on the news I think I 864 00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:15,250 think I'm the only person who has ever 865 00:40:20,430 --> 00:40:17,770 gotten archaeologists out to be all my 866 00:40:22,590 --> 00:40:20,440 natives to talk about UFOs connected to 867 00:40:24,150 --> 00:40:22,600 the rock art and there's pity I don't 868 00:40:27,300 --> 00:40:24,160 think no one has ever done that before 869 00:40:28,770 --> 00:40:27,310 but I was able to do it and of course 870 00:40:32,250 --> 00:40:28,780 you know he's not going to agree with 871 00:40:34,890 --> 00:40:32,260 anything like that because is the big 872 00:40:36,900 --> 00:40:34,900 story because what really happened there 873 00:40:39,630 --> 00:40:36,910 the whole comic really are the Phoenix 874 00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:39,640 place but really I like terms can feel 875 00:40:47,460 --> 00:40:42,330 the fear of a mountain goes way back and 876 00:40:49,700 --> 00:40:47,470 in a sense in a sense I understand I 877 00:40:52,470 --> 00:40:49,710 understand now why they're 878 00:40:54,900 --> 00:40:52,480 archaeologists and the government isn't 879 00:40:57,810 --> 00:40:54,910 talking about these things is because 880 00:41:01,350 --> 00:40:57,820 this is a scary thing right this is 881 00:41:03,570 --> 00:41:01,360 something kind of you know some of the 882 00:41:06,420 --> 00:41:03,580 Indian did in familiar 883 00:41:08,220 --> 00:41:06,430 like that I talk to you sometimes it 884 00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:08,230 will shut up they will not tell you 885 00:41:12,510 --> 00:41:09,850 anything this is what the type of a 886 00:41:14,190 --> 00:41:12,520 booth there's a good thing we're not 887 00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:14,200 supposed to stand these things we're not 888 00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:15,490 supposed to know that these things are 889 00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:18,490 here what's really going on here is what 890 00:41:23,790 --> 00:41:21,610 led the down stall of the Hong Kong the 891 00:41:26,490 --> 00:41:23,800 people who first dealt with a Phoenix 892 00:41:28,650 --> 00:41:26,500 life they were here one one day Dominic 893 00:41:30,540 --> 00:41:28,660 they treated these benek right they 894 00:41:33,420 --> 00:41:30,550 treated these flying serpents and 895 00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:33,430 treated these organs of sky as God and 896 00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:36,130 then all of a sudden something happened 897 00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:38,890 and they were taken away vanish from 898 00:41:44,490 --> 00:41:42,610 civilization just brought ok so I'm 899 00:41:47,820 --> 00:41:44,500 finding all this information I'm like 900 00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:47,830 beer so I'm investigating stock mountain 901 00:41:52,470 --> 00:41:50,650 I go into the Phoenix library and I go 902 00:41:54,210 --> 00:41:52,480 up to the government department I asked 903 00:41:57,210 --> 00:41:54,220 them you know Jimmy all your files on 904 00:42:00,030 --> 00:41:57,220 South Mountain they sent out this huge 905 00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:00,040 file I opened it up 906 00:42:05,820 --> 00:42:03,970 holy cow boom there it was there was all 907 00:42:09,330 --> 00:42:05,830 the information there it talked about 908 00:42:11,190 --> 00:42:09,340 Charles Oberg the first part Ranger 909 00:42:14,060 --> 00:42:11,200 Scout mountain in the night in the 910 00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:14,070 beginning of the 1930 to the end of the 911 00:42:20,250 --> 00:42:17,530 1940s he was the first park ranger here 912 00:42:22,500 --> 00:42:20,260 on South Mountain and in the Indians the 913 00:42:25,770 --> 00:42:22,510 Native Americans told Charles about the 914 00:42:28,140 --> 00:42:25,780 Tim told them about the Mayan told them 915 00:42:30,390 --> 00:42:28,150 about what happened to the people the 916 00:42:32,190 --> 00:42:30,400 people who were gone now you know they 917 00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:32,200 entrusted travel and he was out there 918 00:42:37,620 --> 00:42:34,890 actually protecting protecting the to 919 00:42:40,050 --> 00:42:37,630 hope is beta we're in the fourth world 920 00:42:42,780 --> 00:42:40,060 ok it we're about ready to enter the fit 921 00:42:46,140 --> 00:42:42,790 ok so at the beginning of the 4th world 922 00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:46,150 in the whole cause you were here we're 923 00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:49,690 here and they didn't know how to live so 924 00:42:54,750 --> 00:42:51,970 these things came up out of the stand 925 00:42:56,730 --> 00:42:54,760 world and they had lost it and some 926 00:42:59,880 --> 00:42:56,740 people with typist like this bad if 927 00:43:02,010 --> 00:42:59,890 they're a type of lizard man and they 928 00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:02,020 lost their tails but the stories go on 929 00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:03,610 to say that they lost their health and 930 00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:05,290 they taught the people how to survive 931 00:43:10,950 --> 00:43:07,690 and every time they worship these things 932 00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:10,960 of God and this woman for a thousand 933 00:43:16,349 --> 00:43:12,850 years this is how mankind was able to 934 00:43:19,380 --> 00:43:16,359 survive was from their from helping 935 00:43:22,559 --> 00:43:19,390 these things in the sky but actually in 936 00:43:25,890 --> 00:43:22,569 fact it led to their downfall 937 00:43:29,370 --> 00:43:25,900 okay so when we look at the Sumerian 938 00:43:31,970 --> 00:43:29,380 taxon we look at the Anunnaki okay that 939 00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:31,980 really doesn't rely there's a lot of 940 00:43:39,210 --> 00:43:34,930 carving down here on South Mountain that 941 00:43:41,670 --> 00:43:39,220 kind of referred to the Anunnaki can 942 00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:41,680 refer to some of the Babylonian texts 943 00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:44,170 but I tell you what I tell you what the 944 00:43:47,460 --> 00:43:46,450 most really what resembles what's really 945 00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:47,470 going on out here 946 00:43:52,620 --> 00:43:50,170 is the Bible okay if you take religion 947 00:43:55,620 --> 00:43:52,630 out of the Bible just build religion out 948 00:43:58,529 --> 00:43:55,630 the door and look at it and interpret it 949 00:44:00,870 --> 00:43:58,539 as like a history book for the world it 950 00:44:03,390 --> 00:44:00,880 tells you what these things harder dead 951 00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:03,400 it tells you in Genesis 6 that these 952 00:44:08,549 --> 00:44:05,890 things are cast down to earth okay so 953 00:44:11,069 --> 00:44:08,559 the Bible only the Bible has a lot of 954 00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:11,079 stuff has been left out of the Bible 955 00:44:15,749 --> 00:44:13,210 they'll mount hermon as the Bible 956 00:44:17,700 --> 00:44:15,759 describes isn't the only mountain that 957 00:44:19,710 --> 00:44:17,710 these things were cast down at that's 958 00:44:21,359 --> 00:44:19,720 just one mountain there were other 959 00:44:23,519 --> 00:44:21,369 mountains around the world that these 960 00:44:26,279 --> 00:44:23,529 things were cats were thrown upon and 961 00:44:27,809 --> 00:44:26,289 Phoenix Arizona and South now tenement 962 00:44:30,779 --> 00:44:27,819 and the existing mountains around 963 00:44:33,359 --> 00:44:30,789 Phoenix were part of the civilization 964 00:44:35,489 --> 00:44:33,369 where they were tasked down at but they 965 00:44:37,170 --> 00:44:35,499 were thrown here it was pulled here I 966 00:44:39,749 --> 00:44:37,180 was out of seven and there are stones 967 00:44:44,970 --> 00:44:39,759 get out of the sky this is their own but 968 00:44:47,789 --> 00:44:44,980 they've always been her okay and so when 969 00:44:50,099 --> 00:44:47,799 you look at Genesis 6 it says that the 970 00:44:53,430 --> 00:44:50,109 Nephilim the Nephilim were here the 971 00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:53,440 giant the giant okay so when you look at 972 00:44:58,710 --> 00:44:55,930 the petroglyphs out here it's detecting 973 00:45:02,670 --> 00:44:58,720 giant but I found him they have been can 974 00:45:05,970 --> 00:45:02,680 filled with heavy stone boulders that 975 00:45:08,190 --> 00:45:05,980 way too time Benes by how the whole 976 00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:08,200 country will take these babies molars up 977 00:45:12,809 --> 00:45:10,690 and place these boulders here is the 978 00:45:15,479 --> 00:45:12,819 army so they had to a bit somebody was 979 00:45:17,489 --> 00:45:15,489 very powerful very strong possibly a 980 00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:17,499 giant that's what talks about up here 981 00:45:23,609 --> 00:45:21,130 are the Giants out there so with the 982 00:45:25,770 --> 00:45:23,619 Mayans are here and everybody came from 983 00:45:27,990 --> 00:45:25,780 all nations to gather at 984 00:45:31,050 --> 00:45:28,000 South Mountain South Mountain where the 985 00:45:33,180 --> 00:45:31,060 holy mountain and androids spread about 986 00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:33,190 all the gods that were coming and going 987 00:45:38,820 --> 00:45:35,770 from this valley here and all the spirit 988 00:45:41,370 --> 00:45:38,830 and so took place and so all the people 989 00:45:44,310 --> 00:45:41,380 from all over the lands you saw used to 990 00:45:48,690 --> 00:45:44,320 gather at South Mountain for for a trade 991 00:45:51,090 --> 00:45:48,700 and for worship and you know the story 992 00:45:52,890 --> 00:45:51,100 goes on you know a handful of gold for a 993 00:45:54,900 --> 00:45:52,900 handful of corn it doesn't sound like 994 00:45:56,580 --> 00:45:54,910 much but that's the way to destroy go 995 00:46:00,900 --> 00:45:56,590 that's the way Hulbert right but in 996 00:46:03,150 --> 00:46:00,910 itself and he goes on to say that is 997 00:46:05,850 --> 00:46:03,160 going on this were on for a thousand 998 00:46:08,490 --> 00:46:05,860 years until you know something happened 999 00:46:11,190 --> 00:46:08,500 now I believe I believe because the 1000 00:46:14,490 --> 00:46:11,200 stories on it it's a little bit kind of 1001 00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:14,500 confusing but I have found the altered 1002 00:46:21,150 --> 00:46:18,090 out there sacrificing altars and um I 1003 00:46:23,670 --> 00:46:21,160 think for some for some reasons the 1004 00:46:26,190 --> 00:46:23,680 sacrifice and head stop and when a 1005 00:46:28,110 --> 00:46:26,200 sacrifice you saw that's what that's 1006 00:46:30,540 --> 00:46:28,120 when these things got upset I mean 1007 00:46:33,090 --> 00:46:30,550 because it wasn't always a desert out 1008 00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:33,100 here it was like a tropical like web day 1009 00:46:37,830 --> 00:46:35,890 then the whole calm air I mean even you 1010 00:46:40,830 --> 00:46:37,840 can see evidence if the water falls on 1011 00:46:43,470 --> 00:46:40,840 South Mountain you can see the evidence 1012 00:46:45,950 --> 00:46:43,480 of the strings of the water I mean it 1013 00:46:49,170 --> 00:46:45,960 wasn't all dried up like that until 1014 00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:49,180 until the sacrificing had stopped and 1015 00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:53,290 when that did it upset the Sun Devils of 1016 00:47:00,060 --> 00:46:57,130 sky know that it's a upset the Phoenix 1017 00:47:02,670 --> 00:47:00,070 right and then one day one day they came 1018 00:47:04,380 --> 00:47:02,680 out and they took people away they just 1019 00:47:08,100 --> 00:47:04,390 took him up in the sky never to return 1020 00:47:10,110 --> 00:47:08,110 and the story goes a Hobart ripen is on 1021 00:47:13,820 --> 00:47:10,120 in his journal die and then you can find 1022 00:47:17,130 --> 00:47:13,830 all this on my website he write that 1023 00:47:19,170 --> 00:47:17,140 some zombies hid somewhere watching what 1024 00:47:21,630 --> 00:47:19,180 was going on and they hit him caves and 1025 00:47:24,240 --> 00:47:21,640 they were afraid and we was all over it 1026 00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:24,250 they knew they knew that they messed up 1027 00:47:28,310 --> 00:47:25,450 that they shouldn't have stopped the 1028 00:47:32,070 --> 00:47:28,320 sacrificing and so they knew that they 1029 00:47:35,460 --> 00:47:32,080 stepped up set it to God and so the 1030 00:47:37,620 --> 00:47:35,470 cheese the cheese ended up taking their 1031 00:47:38,790 --> 00:47:37,630 own lives and taking out their hearts 1032 00:47:42,030 --> 00:47:38,800 and put them on the stack of 1033 00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:42,040 in table because they knew a mirror that 1034 00:47:46,890 --> 00:47:44,770 it was wrong to stop the sacrifice so 1035 00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:46,900 all the people that that witness what 1036 00:47:51,060 --> 00:47:48,850 was going on here they were afraid and 1037 00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:51,070 they felt never to come back into this 1038 00:47:55,470 --> 00:47:53,650 village into the valley of the Sun never 1039 00:47:57,810 --> 00:47:55,480 to come back in the finish because this 1040 00:47:59,430 --> 00:47:57,820 planet was cursed they knew that if they 1041 00:48:01,380 --> 00:47:59,440 were going to continue to live in this 1042 00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:01,390 plan and eventually they were going to 1043 00:48:06,690 --> 00:48:04,330 have to go back to war back to war with 1044 00:48:08,790 --> 00:48:06,700 these spirits of the earth and sky and 1045 00:48:11,430 --> 00:48:08,800 that's exactly what that's exactly what 1046 00:48:14,370 --> 00:48:11,440 the the petroglyphs depict out here and 1047 00:48:16,620 --> 00:48:14,380 we don't see impetus of the Indians 1048 00:48:19,590 --> 00:48:16,630 shooting arrows that flying serpent them 1049 00:48:22,170 --> 00:48:19,600 of guys out here flying orbs shooting at 1050 00:48:24,330 --> 00:48:22,180 the Phoenix right and so they were 1051 00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:24,340 afraid and they vowed never to come into 1052 00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:26,290 this valley so they buried their gold 1053 00:48:33,510 --> 00:48:31,090 and the tales 1054 00:48:36,540 --> 00:48:33,520 Charles Hobart said that the gold 1055 00:48:40,890 --> 00:48:36,550 measured as high as a tallest saguaro 1056 00:48:44,310 --> 00:48:40,900 cactus and as well as the Sun that there 1057 00:48:46,350 --> 00:48:44,320 was mazes amount of gold that was buried 1058 00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:46,360 in the mountains here and they filled 1059 00:48:51,240 --> 00:48:48,850 them all up and they vowed never to come 1060 00:48:54,510 --> 00:48:51,250 back in this and they all took back 1061 00:48:58,020 --> 00:48:54,520 they don't look back to Mexico never to 1062 00:49:01,140 --> 00:48:58,030 return here so for 400 years for 400 1063 00:49:02,910 --> 00:49:01,150 years nobody lived in Phoenix Arizona 1064 00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:02,920 now nobody lived in the valley at this 1065 00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:05,170 time they were tribes on the outskirts 1066 00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:07,450 of the valley that saw the light that 1067 00:49:12,270 --> 00:49:09,850 saw the serpent that saw the orbs and 1068 00:49:15,270 --> 00:49:12,280 they were afraid they knew they knew 1069 00:49:16,770 --> 00:49:15,280 because you know last time the people 1070 00:49:18,990 --> 00:49:16,780 dealt with those things man they got 1071 00:49:21,300 --> 00:49:19,000 taken away you know and that's exactly 1072 00:49:24,110 --> 00:49:21,310 what they didn't want to happen because 1073 00:49:27,330 --> 00:49:24,120 this this land was cursed it was until 1074 00:49:30,990 --> 00:49:27,340 later on about four or five hundred 1075 00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:31,000 years later with Jack's a man and his 1076 00:49:37,170 --> 00:49:33,970 people and so all the canals two stones 1077 00:49:39,930 --> 00:49:37,180 less bonus left from the whole calm and 1078 00:49:41,450 --> 00:49:39,940 he said he's so he's all like masters 1079 00:49:45,270 --> 00:49:41,460 farm lands and he's like what a 1080 00:49:47,970 --> 00:49:45,280 wonderful Valley to start you know crop 1081 00:49:51,210 --> 00:49:47,980 it in you know to bring inner cows to 1082 00:49:53,430 --> 00:49:51,220 live in this valley and you know you 1083 00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:53,440 that's spirits here you know something 1084 00:49:57,839 --> 00:49:55,210 something is going to happen you just 1085 00:50:00,330 --> 00:49:57,849 have no idea what you're stepping into 1086 00:50:03,030 --> 00:50:00,340 here but of course the right-handers 1087 00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:03,040 believe them and so here we are today 1088 00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:06,970 and we have this five eight million 1089 00:50:11,310 --> 00:50:09,130 people living in Phoenix Arizona and 1090 00:50:13,140 --> 00:50:11,320 we're seeing the light and we're seeing 1091 00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:13,150 the light and we're standing serpent 1092 00:50:17,490 --> 00:50:14,530 they were seeing the orb 1093 00:50:19,349 --> 00:50:17,500 oh my what is that state of our future 1094 00:50:20,910 --> 00:50:19,359 because they have to look at the answer 1095 00:50:23,609 --> 00:50:20,920 look at the pay up a little bit back 1096 00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:23,619 there to spend our future just look at 1097 00:50:29,099 --> 00:50:26,290 our past and our past says that mankind 1098 00:50:31,020 --> 00:50:29,109 were school was fooled into thinking 1099 00:50:34,290 --> 00:50:31,030 that this Phoenix light that these 1100 00:50:35,790 --> 00:50:34,300 things from the sky were God and we were 1101 00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:35,800 meant to worship Him 1102 00:50:40,470 --> 00:50:38,050 but when things didn't go the way it was 1103 00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:40,480 supposed to except take it away okay 1104 00:50:46,140 --> 00:50:42,970 was this a type of first Thessalonians 1105 00:50:49,740 --> 00:50:46,150 with this type of rapture that these 1106 00:50:52,170 --> 00:50:49,750 priests want us to believe will take 1107 00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:52,180 place to our future okay is this a 1108 00:50:57,240 --> 00:50:54,970 rapture that happens to the whole calm 1109 00:50:59,520 --> 00:50:57,250 could be because it does say that these 1110 00:51:01,620 --> 00:50:59,530 things came out of the sky took these 1111 00:51:04,740 --> 00:51:01,630 things up and first up alone in a state 1112 00:51:07,109 --> 00:51:04,750 we will be caught up to meet the Lord in 1113 00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:07,119 the sky well that's basically what had 1114 00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:09,010 happened to the whole cop and they were 1115 00:51:13,980 --> 00:51:11,050 judged they were taken up they never 1116 00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:13,990 came back okay and so that's basically 1117 00:51:21,300 --> 00:51:17,650 what we're seeing now today in our skies 1118 00:51:24,599 --> 00:51:21,310 we see the light we see the prophecies 1119 00:51:27,089 --> 00:51:24,609 the prophecies are coming and so we're 1120 00:51:30,720 --> 00:51:27,099 at the end I believe we're at the end of 1121 00:51:32,970 --> 00:51:30,730 the fourth world and this is the reason 1122 00:51:35,670 --> 00:51:32,980 why these things have not made contact 1123 00:51:39,829 --> 00:51:35,680 with it yet okay they simply or watching 1124 00:51:42,990 --> 00:51:39,839 the Watchers or watching them back and 1125 00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:43,000 you know a lot of people such as myself 1126 00:51:50,250 --> 00:51:46,210 or seeing them more than than others and 1127 00:51:52,500 --> 00:51:50,260 I really think that it has a couple I 1128 00:51:55,079 --> 00:51:52,510 mean there's no proven evidence for this 1129 00:51:57,230 --> 00:51:55,089 but just theories you know that there 1130 00:51:59,700 --> 00:51:57,240 could be some kind of bloodline going on 1131 00:52:02,040 --> 00:51:59,710 throughout the generations you know why 1132 00:52:04,980 --> 00:52:02,050 some people city things more than 1133 00:52:08,190 --> 00:52:04,990 others it could be I mean I had a 1134 00:52:10,710 --> 00:52:08,200 motorcycle accident I was 16 I died I 1135 00:52:14,130 --> 00:52:10,720 saw how I had an OBE I had an 1136 00:52:15,750 --> 00:52:14,140 out-of-body experience up on the roof I 1137 00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:15,760 was looking at the doctors worked on me 1138 00:52:20,370 --> 00:52:18,130 I got sucked back into my body so many 1139 00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:20,380 people who who have died and come back 1140 00:52:24,510 --> 00:52:22,810 might be closer they say they might be 1141 00:52:25,770 --> 00:52:24,520 able to see these things more I don't 1142 00:52:28,110 --> 00:52:25,780 know there's a lot of theories out there 1143 00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:28,120 that's going on that has been yet to 1144 00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:35,170 proven yet but man I love the the very 1145 00:52:42,210 --> 00:52:39,090 scary thing about the truth of this is 1146 00:52:45,270 --> 00:52:42,220 that it is very taboo and you mentioned 1147 00:52:48,510 --> 00:52:45,280 that it is very taboo it's very true 1148 00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:48,520 it's very real and these disappearances 1149 00:52:54,450 --> 00:52:50,890 are extremely unique much like the 1150 00:52:56,190 --> 00:52:54,460 rapture and it reminds me a lot of you 1151 00:52:59,390 --> 00:52:56,200 know this has happened throughout the 1152 00:53:01,980 --> 00:52:59,400 the West as you've said and Chaco Canyon 1153 00:53:06,060 --> 00:53:01,990 very similar thing you know that they're 1154 00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:06,070 just gone they're just poof and these 1155 00:53:12,900 --> 00:53:10,570 that I love the sand world and what you 1156 00:53:15,570 --> 00:53:12,910 mentioned about the sand world because I 1157 00:53:18,770 --> 00:53:15,580 mean what does Ana manake mean it's at 1158 00:53:25,020 --> 00:53:18,780 people you know it has that it has that 1159 00:53:27,060 --> 00:53:25,030 I guess it's it's basically letting us 1160 00:53:30,660 --> 00:53:27,070 know that there is a connection to the 1161 00:53:32,910 --> 00:53:30,670 underground or the underworld at least 1162 00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:32,920 this casting down to earth the that you 1163 00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:34,810 mentioned in Genesis 6 and I think the 1164 00:53:37,410 --> 00:53:36,970 snake worship is such a big deal with 1165 00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:37,420 this 1166 00:53:46,740 --> 00:53:43,330 vaguely you know when when you mentioned 1167 00:53:49,740 --> 00:53:46,750 that the the sacrifice is stopped and 1168 00:53:52,410 --> 00:53:49,750 that the gods got angry I mean it's all 1169 00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:52,420 about perspective and these 1170 00:53:59,670 --> 00:53:55,330 disappearances these tombs and a lot of 1171 00:54:01,730 --> 00:53:59,680 the Sumerian the Anunnaki texts like 1172 00:54:05,070 --> 00:54:01,740 biblical texts a lot of this 1173 00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:05,080 incorporates these same things I wanted 1174 00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:06,610 to get back to something Jeff that you 1175 00:54:09,420 --> 00:54:07,930 mentioned earlier which was the 1176 00:54:11,820 --> 00:54:09,430 mountains and the ridge lines and I 1177 00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:11,830 agree with this that whatever you want 1178 00:54:15,540 --> 00:54:14,050 to call them the sky people the Sun 1179 00:54:18,570 --> 00:54:15,550 Devils the UFOs 1180 00:54:22,290 --> 00:54:18,580 they seem at least in the areas I've 1181 00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:22,300 been to be attracted to hover above go 1182 00:54:30,030 --> 00:54:26,290 along these mountains and ridge lines do 1183 00:54:33,359 --> 00:54:30,040 you have any insight as to as to why 1184 00:54:35,250 --> 00:54:33,369 that is absolutely has been in my 1185 00:54:37,650 --> 00:54:35,260 opinion and watching these things and 1186 00:54:39,090 --> 00:54:37,660 looking at the hot spots it has 1187 00:54:42,510 --> 00:54:39,100 everything to do with the fault line 1188 00:54:47,100 --> 00:54:42,520 with the energies it has has everything 1189 00:54:48,780 --> 00:54:47,110 to do with tracking the season they they 1190 00:54:52,260 --> 00:54:48,790 follow the seasons like I mentioned 1191 00:54:55,050 --> 00:54:52,270 earlier you know watching watching the 1192 00:54:57,060 --> 00:54:55,060 mountain for so many years I noticed 1193 00:54:59,070 --> 00:54:57,070 that they were here one month they were 1194 00:55:01,410 --> 00:54:59,080 gone the next month or they were gone 1195 00:55:03,540 --> 00:55:01,420 one season and they came back another 1196 00:55:06,030 --> 00:55:03,550 see them you know there was heavy one 1197 00:55:09,300 --> 00:55:06,040 month they were like the other month you 1198 00:55:12,060 --> 00:55:09,310 know and so with the next year when it 1199 00:55:14,490 --> 00:55:12,070 repeated itself when it repeated itself 1200 00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:14,500 again I knew that was a secret 1201 00:55:18,540 --> 00:55:16,450 that was a major secret on how to 1202 00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:18,550 predict these things you know if they 1203 00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:20,890 follow the seasons they follow the Sun 1204 00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:23,290 you know it's because the Indians say 1205 00:55:28,050 --> 00:55:25,450 when the Sun gets in the right position 1206 00:55:30,300 --> 00:55:28,060 these doorways it opens up the doors and 1207 00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:30,310 it's like a type of vision up step and 1208 00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:32,410 these things are able to harness this 1209 00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:35,530 energy and use it as like maybe a type 1210 00:55:39,720 --> 00:55:37,450 of feeling I guess they're kind of 1211 00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:39,730 feeding off this energy this reason why 1212 00:55:44,820 --> 00:55:43,570 they go if I we see the light you know 1213 00:55:47,700 --> 00:55:44,830 when they're all over that power plant 1214 00:55:49,020 --> 00:55:47,710 boy they were played they were shiny you 1215 00:55:51,570 --> 00:55:49,030 know they were absorbing that they were 1216 00:55:53,970 --> 00:55:51,580 hooking up that energy so bad man you 1217 00:55:57,150 --> 00:55:53,980 know and this reason why you know we see 1218 00:56:00,060 --> 00:55:57,160 colors in them and we see why they're so 1219 00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:00,070 bright and you know sometimes you know 1220 00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:02,050 they're silver and that's why a lot of 1221 00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:04,690 people mistake them of crap because they 1222 00:56:09,510 --> 00:56:06,970 you know their skin is like a type of 1223 00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:09,520 metallic you know and because of 1224 00:56:13,650 --> 00:56:11,650 Hollywood and because of the people so 1225 00:56:16,050 --> 00:56:13,660 in movie tickets trying to fail or crap 1226 00:56:18,180 --> 00:56:16,060 over Phoenix you know trying to exploit 1227 00:56:20,430 --> 00:56:18,190 what's really going on when they haven't 1228 00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:20,440 really investigated anything you know 1229 00:56:25,950 --> 00:56:23,290 they just assume they assume that these 1230 00:56:27,269 --> 00:56:25,960 businesses a spaceship and it that that 1231 00:56:29,069 --> 00:56:27,279 is that we're dealing with 1232 00:56:30,630 --> 00:56:29,079 down here we're dealing with technology 1233 00:56:33,899 --> 00:56:30,640 because that's all they can really 1234 00:56:36,989 --> 00:56:33,909 understand you know but if you go back 1235 00:56:38,669 --> 00:56:36,999 to the biblical tag doesn't act tell you 1236 00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:38,679 what these things are and a lot of 1237 00:56:44,009 --> 00:56:41,249 people don't a lot of people just 1238 00:56:45,989 --> 00:56:44,019 overlook that they say oh it's religious 1239 00:56:49,199 --> 00:56:45,999 don't you go first all the words about 1240 00:56:51,149 --> 00:56:49,209 me young man you know but it's talking 1241 00:56:51,630 --> 00:56:51,159 about you know Moses dealt with these 1242 00:56:54,149 --> 00:56:51,640 things 1243 00:56:56,609 --> 00:56:54,159 the heck do you think Moses was falling 1244 00:56:58,919 --> 00:56:56,619 around in the sky for 40 years of tells 1245 00:57:01,169 --> 00:56:58,929 you what tells you it tells you that a 1246 00:57:04,259 --> 00:57:01,179 pillar of cloud by day and a pillar of 1247 00:57:07,289 --> 00:57:04,269 fire by night led the Israelites out of 1248 00:57:09,870 --> 00:57:07,299 Egypt and Pretender followed a UFO for 1249 00:57:11,609 --> 00:57:09,880 40 years okay and who was it that led 1250 00:57:13,529 --> 00:57:11,619 the people in the Promised Land 1251 00:57:15,599 --> 00:57:13,539 you know wasn't Moses Moses what 1252 00:57:18,149 --> 00:57:15,609 happened to him he got taken away on a 1253 00:57:20,969 --> 00:57:18,159 mountain by a light was it a Phoenix 1254 00:57:23,189 --> 00:57:20,979 light but it was a thing in the sky that 1255 00:57:23,579 --> 00:57:23,199 brought the people into the Promised 1256 00:57:26,699 --> 00:57:23,589 Land 1257 00:57:28,079 --> 00:57:26,709 they follow the UFO for 30 years it was 1258 00:57:30,149 --> 00:57:28,089 really neat too because when you when 1259 00:57:32,489 --> 00:57:30,159 you when you read the biblical text it 1260 00:57:35,039 --> 00:57:32,499 tells you that when Moses went in to 1261 00:57:38,009 --> 00:57:35,049 attend this Ben came down from the sky 1262 00:57:40,140 --> 00:57:38,019 and actually greeted Moses while he was 1263 00:57:41,999 --> 00:57:40,150 in the tent you know I need come on did 1264 00:57:44,429 --> 00:57:42,009 you know there's other things in the 1265 00:57:47,279 --> 00:57:44,439 Bible there that talk about the Anunnaki 1266 00:57:50,849 --> 00:57:47,289 I talked about the guy with the wig all 1267 00:57:53,819 --> 00:57:50,859 right and what about BPOs feel and the 1268 00:57:57,239 --> 00:57:53,829 full living eyes the poor creatures okay 1269 00:57:59,640 --> 00:57:57,249 all these bishops later in class you 1270 00:58:01,919 --> 00:57:59,650 know because they were shipped out there 1271 00:58:04,259 --> 00:58:01,929 they were sailing ship you know there 1272 00:58:07,859 --> 00:58:04,269 there are ships on the sea so there was 1273 00:58:10,370 --> 00:58:07,869 that I saw a ship in the sky they would 1274 00:58:13,349 --> 00:58:10,380 have said that no they call these things 1275 00:58:15,239 --> 00:58:13,359 angel they call these things the Spirit 1276 00:58:19,469 --> 00:58:15,249 of the Lord they could call these things 1277 00:58:22,559 --> 00:58:19,479 spirit okay so it's not a ship but a 1278 00:58:26,009 --> 00:58:22,569 living being that we're doing with some 1279 00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:26,019 are good some are bad hmm 1280 00:58:32,579 --> 00:58:29,650 I man sucking up the energy like you 1281 00:58:34,049 --> 00:58:32,589 said in in the shapeshifter territory of 1282 00:58:35,969 --> 00:58:34,059 what I like to call it of Utah there 1283 00:58:39,059 --> 00:58:35,979 were a lot of shapeshifters and stuff 1284 00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:39,069 Racine these 10 - like you said hover 1285 00:58:43,380 --> 00:58:40,930 over the ridge lines with 1286 00:58:44,819 --> 00:58:43,390 power lines and man do they ever love 1287 00:58:49,079 --> 00:58:44,829 that energy it seems like they just 1288 00:58:51,780 --> 00:58:49,089 power up and it's it's so true when 1289 00:58:54,210 --> 00:58:51,790 people get you know angry about talking 1290 00:58:56,579 --> 00:58:54,220 religion it's like or anything it's like 1291 00:59:02,030 --> 00:58:56,589 why do you think these individuals left 1292 00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:02,040 such you know extensive historical 1293 00:59:07,579 --> 00:59:04,690 writings behind much like the 1294 00:59:11,609 --> 00:59:07,589 petroglyphs pictographs and such these 1295 00:59:14,700 --> 00:59:11,619 may well be like the best keys we have 1296 00:59:18,630 --> 00:59:14,710 to understanding this and to not be open 1297 00:59:21,390 --> 00:59:18,640 to all of it you close yourself off to 1298 00:59:22,980 --> 00:59:21,400 the answers so I think that's really 1299 00:59:26,579 --> 00:59:22,990 cool that you haven't closed yourself 1300 00:59:28,620 --> 00:59:26,589 off you're following you know various 1301 00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:28,630 lines that are leading to the same 1302 00:59:34,260 --> 00:59:32,530 answers and man it's Jeff you're such a 1303 00:59:35,790 --> 00:59:34,270 wealth of knowledge and a blessing to so 1304 00:59:37,770 --> 00:59:35,800 many out there I wish we could talk all 1305 00:59:41,069 --> 00:59:37,780 day I really do and I hope we talk again 1306 00:59:43,950 --> 00:59:41,079 soon where can listeners and others 1307 00:59:50,099 --> 00:59:43,960 follow your work and keep in touch with 1308 00:59:52,559 --> 00:59:50,109 what you're doing to get a whole day and 1309 00:59:54,870 --> 00:59:52,569 and to see some of the sightings and 1310 00:59:55,940 --> 00:59:54,880 somebody up and coming your vampire you 1311 00:59:58,770 --> 00:59:55,950 know I have my own show 1312 01:00:01,650 --> 00:59:58,780 yeah it's been down right now because my 1313 01:00:04,140 --> 01:00:01,660 FTO is under construction so I'll be 1314 01:00:07,829 --> 01:00:04,150 back up with my with my own face book 1315 01:00:09,150 --> 01:00:07,839 show again hopefully next month I'm 1316 01:00:12,599 --> 01:00:09,160 hopefully if we can get it all 1317 01:00:14,250 --> 01:00:12,609 straightened out by them but Facebook is 1318 01:00:17,220 --> 01:00:14,260 the best way to get a hold of me and 1319 01:00:20,460 --> 01:00:17,230 from there you can find my website you 1320 01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:20,470 can find my website on there and so Meg 1321 01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:23,650 you got poked by my book the Pink's like 1322 01:00:28,620 --> 01:00:26,650 bicyclists on the sky volume 1 2 stories 1323 01:00:31,230 --> 01:00:28,630 miss president's annual photo of Phoenix 1324 01:00:34,380 --> 01:00:31,240 now this is 15 years 15 years of 1325 01:00:37,170 --> 01:00:34,390 research into the Phoenix right into the 1326 01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:37,180 lost history of Phoenix Arizona berry 1327 01:00:42,510 --> 01:00:39,490 that has been brought that I have 1328 01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:42,520 uncovered and Collins photographs eight 1329 01:00:49,620 --> 01:00:44,890 color photographs of the terms of the 1330 01:00:50,430 --> 01:00:49,630 petroglyphs it reads so the reader can 1331 01:00:52,830 --> 01:00:50,440 understand 1332 01:00:55,350 --> 01:00:52,840 if you can't come them about them that I 1333 01:00:58,020 --> 01:00:55,360 bring the mountains to you through all 1334 01:01:00,780 --> 01:00:58,030 the other the documentation and the 1335 01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:00,790 photographs in the book this is this 1336 01:01:10,050 --> 01:01:05,530 this book has never been like it's only 1337 01:01:13,050 --> 01:01:10,060 one this is a completely new unique UFO 1338 01:01:15,570 --> 01:01:13,060 book at a normal UFO book it is a book 1339 01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:15,580 that talked about the true history of 1340 01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:18,490 Phoenix that I have been covered and and 1341 01:01:23,060 --> 01:01:20,170 what really happened to the whole car 1342 01:01:26,100 --> 01:01:23,070 what the Phoenix lights really is and 1343 01:01:30,390 --> 01:01:26,110 this information hasn't been told in the 1344 01:01:33,450 --> 01:01:30,400 last 80 years so this is all new to 1345 01:01:37,230 --> 01:01:33,460 people and so yeah the best way to get a 1346 01:01:39,300 --> 01:01:37,240 hold me is the face book and if you guys 1347 01:01:41,310 --> 01:01:39,310 go up there and tell something in the 1348 01:01:44,580 --> 01:01:41,320 sky please let me know because you know 1349 01:01:46,350 --> 01:01:44,590 this much let's not worry about the 1350 01:01:47,970 --> 01:01:46,360 archaeologists told us what's really 1351 01:01:49,830 --> 01:01:47,980 going on cuz they're gonna deplete it 1352 01:01:52,020 --> 01:01:49,840 but I'm a little worried about you know 1353 01:01:53,940 --> 01:01:52,030 it's up to us it's up to me and you you 1354 01:01:55,950 --> 01:01:53,950 know it took to the people out there in 1355 01:01:57,540 --> 01:01:55,960 the audience to actually go out there 1356 01:01:59,580 --> 01:01:57,550 and find the evidence for themselves 1357 01:02:01,710 --> 01:01:59,590 just don't believe somebody that you 1358 01:02:03,990 --> 01:02:01,720 know that's on the radio that's on TV 1359 01:02:06,330 --> 01:02:04,000 but thought ancient alien but that is 1360 01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:06,340 trying to show you movies and take it 1361 01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:09,010 you know to some crafts going over 1362 01:02:14,060 --> 01:02:11,890 Phoenix investigate for yourself you 1363 01:02:17,670 --> 01:02:14,070 know because that's exactly what I did I 1364 01:02:20,100 --> 01:02:17,680 wouldn't and I investigated all this for 1365 01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:20,110 this for myself and why I did when I did 1366 01:02:24,390 --> 01:02:22,570 it opened up my eyes it opened up a 1367 01:02:26,490 --> 01:02:24,400 whole new chapter on you all what's 1368 01:02:28,410 --> 01:02:26,500 really going on here on earth and when 1369 01:02:30,150 --> 01:02:28,420 you really sit down and when you really 1370 01:02:32,430 --> 01:02:30,160 investigate what's really going on here 1371 01:02:33,780 --> 01:02:32,440 you will find out this to it you will 1372 01:02:35,790 --> 01:02:33,790 find out the truth because the truth 1373 01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:35,800 will always be there you know I was 1374 01:02:39,420 --> 01:02:37,810 thinking I'm thinking hey you know these 1375 01:02:41,700 --> 01:02:39,430 things are here to help us they things 1376 01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:41,710 are a good thing you know but once I 1377 01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:44,170 actually understood but I understood 1378 01:02:47,970 --> 01:02:46,090 them when I understood what the Phoenix 1379 01:02:50,250 --> 01:02:47,980 Wright daughter when I understood about 1380 01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:50,260 what the really with the lost history 1381 01:02:55,260 --> 01:02:52,930 Phoenix there's on it I like totally 1382 01:02:57,090 --> 01:02:55,270 went all 180 on it but this is the 1383 01:02:59,760 --> 01:02:57,100 reason why they don't want to tell you 1384 01:03:00,990 --> 01:02:59,770 what your faults really are because it's 1385 01:03:04,140 --> 01:03:01,000 a scary thing 1386 01:03:06,390 --> 01:03:04,150 keep they're trying to mislead the 1387 01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:06,400 public this is why I don't do the 1388 01:03:12,810 --> 01:03:09,010 ancient aliens but TV series anymore I 1389 01:03:14,790 --> 01:03:12,820 won't do it because in my in my tenants 1390 01:03:17,790 --> 01:03:14,800 there's a lot of misleading information 1391 01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:17,800 they're mad that I started retail it pop 1392 01:03:22,350 --> 01:03:20,050 it's not evidence but not credible it 1393 01:03:28,350 --> 01:03:22,360 also what is evidence what is credible 1394 01:03:31,500 --> 01:03:28,360 is for you to go out there and fight in 1395 01:03:33,210 --> 01:03:31,510 your area find out the history find out 1396 01:03:36,350 --> 01:03:33,220 if the Native Americans you know talk 1397 01:03:39,930 --> 01:03:36,360 about you know beautiful sky spirit but 1398 01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:39,940 spirits of the earth this guy 3ff and 1399 01:03:44,610 --> 01:03:41,890 has the petroglyph thought it was spiral 1400 01:03:46,020 --> 01:03:44,620 man you are on point your wealth and 1401 01:03:49,190 --> 01:03:46,030 knowledge I appreciate you coming on 1402 01:03:51,510 --> 01:03:49,200 Jeff I hope we talk again seeing my man 1403 01:03:54,870 --> 01:03:51,520 thank you Jeff take care all the best 1404 01:03:58,500 --> 01:03:54,880 have a great day man oh man I can't say 1405 01:04:00,210 --> 01:03:58,510 enough good things about Jeff he's one 1406 01:04:02,270 --> 01:04:00,220 of those guys that not only knows his 1407 01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:02,280 stuff but he's passionate about it and 1408 01:04:09,870 --> 01:04:05,770 he has so many of the same ideas that 1409 01:04:13,530 --> 01:04:09,880 many of us have that spent a ton of time 1410 01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:13,540 in the field these realities can be 1411 01:04:18,390 --> 01:04:16,210 augmented significantly by spending that 1412 01:04:19,740 --> 01:04:18,400 amount of time in the field and and this 1413 01:04:23,730 --> 01:04:19,750 guy's far from being an armchair 1414 01:04:25,950 --> 01:04:23,740 researcher he has hiked all over the 1415 01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:25,960 place captured some of the most amazing 1416 01:04:31,620 --> 01:04:28,890 footage in the most unique locations and 1417 01:04:35,700 --> 01:04:31,630 definitely helped Jeff out 1418 01:04:38,760 --> 01:04:35,710 look at his social media look at his 1419 01:04:40,590 --> 01:04:38,770 past present and his future videos 1420 01:04:44,910 --> 01:04:40,600 coming out and definitely pick up his 1421 01:04:46,890 --> 01:04:44,920 book it is a great book if you want to 1422 01:04:50,190 --> 01:04:46,900 keep up with everything Jeff wool wine 1423 01:04:54,510 --> 01:04:50,200 goat look on social media Jeff wool wine 1424 01:04:56,040 --> 01:04:54,520 at Facebook and his book is available in 1425 01:04:58,080 --> 01:04:56,050 a lot of locations I've seen it on 1426 01:05:01,530 --> 01:04:58,090 Amazon and I think you can find it where 1427 01:05:04,860 --> 01:05:01,540 most quality book sellers have UFO books 1428 01:05:09,510 --> 01:05:04,870 and the like I hope to have him on soon 1429 01:05:11,070 --> 01:05:09,520 he's absolutely awesome and even more 1430 01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:11,080 than that I hope to meet up with him 1431 01:05:14,740 --> 01:05:12,610 soon and actually get out in the field 1432 01:05:16,810 --> 01:05:14,750 with him something really interesting 1433 01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:16,820 about his videos is that they are 1434 01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:19,490 oftentimes in these locations that are 1435 01:05:27,550 --> 01:05:24,290 energy hotspots and that's really cool 1436 01:05:30,520 --> 01:05:27,560 he's perfectly kind of got this dynamic 1437 01:05:32,560 --> 01:05:30,530 where he's one of the originals he's 1438 01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:32,570 connected something that should be 1439 01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:35,290 connected and other people are ignoring 1440 01:05:44,910 --> 01:05:39,530 so do what you can definitely support 1441 01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:44,920 Jeff one and I hope we get him back soon 1442 01:05:51,220 --> 01:05:48,650 so on to the other unnecessaries but 1443 01:05:54,580 --> 01:05:51,230 necessary to keep the podcast going I've 1444 01:05:57,490 --> 01:05:54,590 got to do the shameless self-promotion 1445 01:06:00,010 --> 01:05:57,500 the pitch the original outlaw of the 1446 01:06:04,180 --> 01:06:00,020 airwaves has to do the hijacking a bit 1447 01:06:06,490 --> 01:06:04,190 and hit you up for a buck or two if you 1448 01:06:08,050 --> 01:06:06,500 can if not just keep doing what you're 1449 01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:08,060 doing but if you haven't gone to hero 1450 01:06:11,950 --> 01:06:10,250 paranormal com definitely check it out 1451 01:06:15,370 --> 01:06:11,960 we have a very unique system of 1452 01:06:17,110 --> 01:06:15,380 patronage and it's very affordable 1453 01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:17,120 compared to everyone else that I'm aware 1454 01:06:23,170 --> 01:06:19,370 of it's the most affordable but you are 1455 01:06:25,270 --> 01:06:23,180 able to get full archives for your 1456 01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:25,280 effort you know we aren't all about 1457 01:06:29,830 --> 01:06:27,290 supporting the underdogs supporting the 1458 01:06:33,970 --> 01:06:29,840 little guy and keeping the good stuff 1459 01:06:36,250 --> 01:06:33,980 flowing so we will absolutely keep you 1460 01:06:38,940 --> 01:06:36,260 in the know of all things hyper 1461 01:06:41,470 --> 01:06:38,950 anomalous paranormal ufology 1462 01:06:45,270 --> 01:06:41,480 cryptozoology and secret society as 1463 01:06:47,750 --> 01:06:45,280 often as financially available and 1464 01:06:51,140 --> 01:06:47,760 financially able 1465 01:06:54,710 --> 01:06:51,150 the timelines that I'm dealing with are 1466 01:06:56,750 --> 01:06:54,720 tough I've got a lot going on but I will 1467 01:06:58,400 --> 01:06:56,760 continue to do my best and I won't let 1468 01:07:00,740 --> 01:06:58,410 you down so don't let me down if you 1469 01:07:03,950 --> 01:07:00,750 have a chance go to hero paranormal comm 1470 01:07:06,950 --> 01:07:03,960 and support the hyper anomalous esoteric 1471 01:07:08,839 --> 01:07:06,960 Research Organisation podcast if you're 1472 01:07:11,540 --> 01:07:08,849 into other things weird definitely check 1473 01:07:14,630 --> 01:07:11,550 out the research project we have going 1474 01:07:17,380 --> 01:07:14,640 on and that is a space wolf research 1475 01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:17,390 comm something fun I do on the side 1476 01:07:24,470 --> 01:07:21,690 until next time guys keep your eyes to 1477 01:07:28,870 --> 01:07:24,480 the skies feet on the ground but don't